superjake Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 Thanks to cowards! We are stuck once again! Good thing the UAW wasn't started with cowards like weecountry! Enough said! When your buying a home do you pay asking price, or negotiate? We never negotiated! We just settled! Once again! Amen!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superjake Posted November 24, 2015 Author Share Posted November 24, 2015 The simple fact that the union had to work harder at some locals to push this contract through speaks volumes! And where are they now? And where is weelittleman or as my friends call him weecountry, wow that ford dick in your mouth sure did silence you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgrames Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 When your buying a home do you pay asking price, or negotiate? We never negotiated! We just settled! Once again! Amen!!!! That's a terrible anology 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superjake Posted November 24, 2015 Author Share Posted November 24, 2015 Why is that? Ask yourself then answer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-150 Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 Those are your brothers. They are entitled to their opinion as much as you, no matter how much you disagree. But they are still your brothers. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTP'er Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 If you're on here long enough, you'll know that the fucktards come out around contract time. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandmaster B Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 Superjake: I'm not voting no on a contract that puts 400m of investments in my plant! Why don't you call out the 10k+ people that didn't vote? As far as I'm concerned Ron Gettlefinger, Bob King are the ones you should be pissed at. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chassisgroupleader Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 That's a terrible anology I agree this is a moronic analogy! A lot of homes in desirable locations often go for more than the asking Price! But you would never know that because... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superjake Posted November 25, 2015 Author Share Posted November 25, 2015 Because why dumbass? Because I built my own home! Just saying why take the first offer? I'll break it down for your dumb ass! Does an auctioneer take first offer? No! I answered for you to Prevent awareness of your stupidity! So why as ford UAW employees always take first offer? You aren't smart enough to know there is a second? FCA got a second chance didn't they? What a joke this UAW has become! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandmaster B Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 You can call me a dumbass all day...you won't hurt my felling's. I don't fault you for voting no, you have your reasons. FCA didn't get any more the second time around, they only shifted money around. Do your homework. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 You didn't get your way. We know, shut up already. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powerhousejc Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Because why dumbass? Because I built my own home! Just saying why take the first offer? I'll break it down for your dumb ass! Does an auctioneer take first offer? No! I answered for you to Prevent awareness of your stupidity! So why as ford UAW employees always take first offer? You aren't smart enough to know there is a second? FCA got a second chance didn't they? What a joke this UAW has become!Yes, the auctioner does take the first offer if there's no better one. FCA didn't get anything substantial, so if you voted no hoping to get 500 more on your bonus I'm not sure why you're so angry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTP'er Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 If I'm not mistaken wasn't the second go around enabled the tier 2 a stairway to heaven? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deflep1 Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Because why dumbass? Because I built my own home! Just saying why take the first offer? I'll break it down for your dumb ass! Does an auctioneer take first offer? No! I answered for you to Prevent awareness of your stupidity! So why as ford UAW employees always take first offer? You aren't smart enough to know there is a second? FCA got a second chance didn't they? What a joke this UAW has become! You have to realize that taking the "first offer" from the third company bargaining IS NOT the same as the taking the first offer from the lead company. Chrysler low balled the first offer, with lower pay for the second tier. It was voted down, and Chrysler came back with their best offer, which was passed. GM goes next and uses pattern bargaining to match all pay rates with Chrysler, but doesn't offer early retirement for skilled trades, who vote it down, with hourly passing it. Ford watches all of this and adjusts what its' best offer will be. It matches all pay rates, gives $500 more than GM's signing bonus (with $1,500 in pull ahead profit sharing) and offers 10k more than GM to BOTH hourly and skilled trades for early retirement. Even though it was technically their "first offer", the terms were modified as Chrysler and GM bargained. In a pattern agreement, Ford duplicates the other 2 companies terms for pay and work rules, then can offer whatever they want in bonuses. We were NEVER getting higher pay than the other 2, or COLA back when they didn't get it. We were NEVER getting a shorter term for second tier to max out than the other 2. We would be risking a strike to get more bonus money, or more plant and product commitments, which they could have reduced to give us more bonus money. We got some things back and got the second tier a brighter future with a finite date for getting max pay. It was by no means perfect, but we made gains and will try to get more next time. In 4 years things could be slowing down and they might not have the same profits to share with us. This is the nature of the business. Budget your signing bonus like it was a bigger raise or COLA. They will always give more bonus money over higher top wages, which costs them more every work week than a one time bonus check. This simply was their best offer and they knew how much bonus to give to get a probable YES vote. With some questionable Rouge Complex / DTP goings on, they got their YES vote. We could have done A LOT WORSE! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 It matches all pay rates Check again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lastmanstanding Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 You have to realize that taking the "first offer" from the third company bargaining IS NOT the same as the taking the first offer from the lead company. Chrysler low balled the first offer, with lower pay for the second tier. It was voted down, and Chrysler came back with their best offer, which was passed. GM goes next and uses pattern bargaining to match all pay rates with Chrysler, but doesn't offer early retirement for skilled trades, who vote it down, with hourly passing it. Ford watches all of this and adjusts what its' best offer will be. It matches all pay rates, gives $500 more than GM's signing bonus (with $1,500 in pull ahead profit sharing) and offers 10k more than GM to BOTH hourly and skilled trades for early retirement. Even though it was technically their "first offer", the terms were modified as Chrysler and GM bargained. In a pattern agreement, Ford duplicates the other 2 companies terms for pay and work rules, then can offer whatever they want in bonuses. We were NEVER getting higher pay than the other 2, or COLA back when they didn't get it. We were NEVER getting a shorter term for second tier to max out than the other 2. We would be risking a strike to get more bonus money, or more plant and product commitments, which they could have reduced to give us more bonus money. We got some things back and got the second tier a brighter future with a finite date for getting max pay. It was by no means perfect, but we made gains and will try to get more next time. In 4 years things could be slowing down and they might not have the same profits to share with us. This is the nature of the business. Budget your signing bonus like it was a bigger raise or COLA. They will always give more bonus money over higher top wages, which costs them more every work week than a one time bonus check. This simply was their best offer and they knew how much bonus to give to get a probable YES vote. With some questionable Rouge Complex / DTP goings on, they got their YES vote. We could have done A LOT WORSE! Wrong.......... To start with, Skilled didn't pass GM contract because they were going to cut trade classifications and combine the rest, (had nothing to do with buy-outs)..... That's why trades turned it down. Estrada ( Union side) said it was economic issue and wanted to Throw trade vote out.......... Williams stop her, they looked at it for about a week, didn't "toss" as many trades down the toilet and did exactly the same thing.... Patting themselves on the back for FIXING IT........ Trades was looking out for themselves, because with combined trades there will be a layoff...... and when The Union got to Ford, they pulled combining of TRADES out of the contract............The issue at GM now is that "production" has now voted on a Skilled Trade issue, and passed the contract. GM will combine Trades and have a Trade layoff, and you will never see it in the paper.......... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Wrong.......... To start with, Skilled didn't pass GM contract because they were going to cut trade classifications and combine the rest, (had nothing to do with buy-outs)..... That's why trades turned it down. Estrada ( Union side) said it was economic issue and wanted to Throw trade vote out.......... Williams stop her, they looked at it for about a week, didn't "toss" as many trades down the toilet and did exactly the same thing.... Patting themselves on the back for FIXING IT........ Trades was looking out for themselves, because with combined trades there will be a layoff...... and when The Union got to Ford, they pulled combining of TRADES out of the contract............The issue at GM now is that "production" has now voted on a Skilled Trade issue, and passed the contract. GM will combine Trades and have a Trade layoff, and you will never see it in the paper.......... Same thing happened to trades with the 2011 contact at Chrysler. Our votes don't matter anymore. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decker Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Same thing happened to trades with the 2011 contact at Chrysler. Our votes don't matter anymore. I was going to respond with a sexually orientated reference to the voters that do count but.... I`ll refrain from bringing up the bone. (being reserve, new path for the old long hair...) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maislebandit Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 We got some things back and got the second tier a brighter future with a finite date for getting max pay.Not true at all locations 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chassisgroupleader Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 Because why dumbass? Because I built my own home! Just saying why take the first offer? I'll break it down for your dumb ass! Does an auctioneer take first offer? No! I answered for you to Prevent awareness of your stupidity! So why as ford UAW employees always take first offer? You aren't smart enough to know there is a second? FCA got a second chance didn't they? What a joke this UAW has become! ...Now all you have to do is build your own Company and you won't have to worry about Union Contracts! Your need to question everyone's intelligence who does not agree with you only speaks volumes regarding your own abilities. You idiotic statements lack any logic! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superjake Posted November 28, 2015 Author Share Posted November 28, 2015 Yes we could have done better! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superjake Posted December 2, 2015 Author Share Posted December 2, 2015 Sad at best! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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