rmc523 Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 Right after CD7, silly. Anyone else wonder what happened to CD5? Poor thing....just got skipped. I think it would almost have to be a MCE of the current platform - probably to align the styling with the new Expedition. That's what I'm leaning toward, especially if that mule we saw not too long ago was indeed a mule.....yeah it had '11-15 panels/lighting, but could've been a powertrain mule or something? Funny, though, because I was thinking Expedition would follow Explorer styling in overall look/feel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 Anyone else wonder what happened to CD5? Poor thing....just got skipped. CD4 - Fusion, MKZ, Edge, MKX CD5 - This platform intentionally left blank CD6 - Explorer, Aviator, Mustang, Continental, MKZ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 Funny, though, because I was thinking Expedition would follow Explorer styling in overall look/feel. I think it will just be an evolution of the current Explorer styling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 So Ford will have a new Bronco and a new Explorer launching at the same time then? Kind of funny that the Explorer replaced it almost 30 years ago (at that point in 2019/20) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PREMiERdrum Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 I think it would almost have to be a MCE of the current platform - probably to align the styling with the new Expedition. I literally just typed this in a PM to RMC. Good work! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 (edited) What kind of changes could be expected for the Explorer for such a short run? I must say I would welcome some more cosmetic changes as I'm not a big fan of the current grill or wheels. While we are at it change the center stack as well to accommodate a bigger screen. Must be some significant powertrain update. I don't think the exterior will get much change. I'm guessing 9 speed auto for 2018 model year, 2.3 Ecoboost takes over as standard retail engine, 3.5 V6 becomes fleet order only. Plus trim level update to match the rest of Ford line up: Base XLT Titanium replacing Limited - or alternatively, Lariat with more truck-like appearance replacing Limited (or in addition to Titanium) Sport Platinum The middle of Explorer lineup is ripe for more options/appearance packages to boost transaction prices. Think about the Sport/Platinum split on the high end - now apply the same concept to the middle - Lariat/Titanium split... basically the same equipment level but different exterior appearance and interior trim. Edited February 1, 2017 by bzcat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKX1960 Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 I don't think so. Many BMW, Mercedes, and Audi vehicles have cornering lights either within the headlight assembly or in the fog light area. Cornering light were a big deal in the late 60's into the 70's Here's a photo from a 1969 Imperial. http://www.imperialclub.org/Yr/1969/SpottersGuide/Parking-Lights.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 I literally just typed this in a PM to RMC. Good work! Great minds or something like that..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 Must be some significant powertrain update. I don't think the exterior will get much change. I'm guessing 9 speed auto for 2018 model year, 2.3 Ecoboost takes over as standard retail engine, 3.5 V6 becomes fleet order only. Plus trim level update to match the rest of Ford line up: Base XLT Titanium replacing Limited - or alternatively, Lariat with more truck-like appearance replacing Limited (or in addition to Titanium) Sport Platinum The middle of Explorer lineup is ripe for more options/appearance packages to boost transaction prices. Think about the Sport/Platinum split on the high end - now apply the same concept to the middle - Lariat/Titanium split... basically the same equipment level but different exterior appearance and interior trim. I think we'll see some changes to the exterior, though probably not to the same level as the most recent MCE. Perhaps just a new bumper while retaining the same lights or something like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PREMiERdrum Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 I've heard for 2 years now that the base trim was going away, for retail at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonj80 Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 (edited) I'm not sure that's what jasonj80 was describing. Some BMW's (x3/x5) and VW's (golf/Jetta) do it with the fog light like the Transit Connect, they come on and function as a corning light when the vehicle turns. Some BMW (older 5 series) do what the Escape/Focus with HID do and have a corning light in the headlamp assembly. Though I think the Escape dropped it with the '17 redesign. Edited February 1, 2017 by jasonj80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blazerdude20 Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 I've heard for 2 years now that the base trim was going away, for retail at least. That'd make sense. Most people who buy explorers and edges wants fancier trims. Why bother stocking a vehicle that's almost all fleet anyhow. You think ford would add a dang cargo area light in the explorer. $45-60k and there isn't any light in the cargo well with the third row up. WTF!?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 That'd make sense. Most people who buy explorers and edges wants fancier trims. Why bother stocking a vehicle that's almost all fleet anyhow. You think ford would add a dang cargo area light in the explorer. $45-60k and there isn't any light in the cargo well with the third row up. WTF!?! There's one over the third row isn't there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blazerdude20 Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 There's one over the third row isn't there? Yes but the roof headliner dips over the cargo area blocking most of the light. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevenCaylor Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 I'm just going by the differnce between the Halogens in the Raptor and the LED's in a buddy's '16 Explorer. The older halogens give better distance and more even light distribution at least for my eyes, maybe it is because of the height. The Explorer is super bright in front of the vehicle but is splotchy in pattern. Just because somehting has LED/HID doens't mean they have good distance or light pattern. The HID's in the Raptor gained in later model years are even better at night. The LED's in the new F-150 are great, though in the new Fusion are extreamly bright but have a sharp cutoff at a short distance. The lowbeam Headlights (HID or Not) in the Edge just suck. I will say this some of my headlights expierence with new Ford cars was in rental cars so they might not be aimed properly. Speaking of Lighting most Euro Fords Fog lights function as turning lights as well, (turn on a turn signal, or turn the steering wheel and the right or left fog light comes on at below 5mph to aid in seeing near the front of the vehicle) any one know the reason why this isn't enabled on US cars and could it be if you can get into the programming module? I think the Transit Connect is the only Ford that has the option here. Seems an easy feature to add at no cost to cars that have Fog lights. I remember my 87 T-Bird Turbo Coupe had a separate turning light on the side of the car that worked well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbone Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 It sure would be nice to add some hooks for clothing as well in the rear cargo area so you aren't hanging your dry cleaning in the second row. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerLS Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 I remember my 87 T-Bird Turbo Coupe had a separate turning light on the side of the car that worked well. My '89 T-Bird SC had cornering lights built into the headlight assemblies, IIRC. I never understood why those fell out of favor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blksn8k2 Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 (edited) My '89 T-Bird SC had cornering lights built into the headlight assemblies, IIRC. I never understood why those fell out of favor. Actually, the cornering lights were separate and mounted on the fenders. What color was yours? Mine was a red 5-speed. Had it for 23 years. Kinda wish I had never sold it. Edited February 9, 2017 by blksn8k2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerLS Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 What color was yours? Mine was a red 5-speed. Had it for 23 years. Kinda wish I had never sold it. I had a white 5-speed that I traded for a '92 SHO. I almost traded the SHO for a '95 SC 5-speed program car, but ended up getting a better deal on a '95 SHO 5-speed. Then, a few years later, I almost bought a 35th Anniversary (black over silver) 5-speed. I wish I'd've been able to swing that deal. I had a lot of fun driving that T-Bird, and I had the tickets to prove it. Fortunately, they never caught me doing the dumber things I did in that car... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucelinc Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Did someone mention a T-bird SC with cornering lamps? Mine was a 1990 with an automatic. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Is BORG going to Chicago Auto Show? BORG's photos from Detroit Auto Show were amazing. I hope he can take photos at the Chicago event too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddysystem Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 So is there supposed to be a Ford press event occurring in Chicago today at 11:30 (CT??) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pffan1990 Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 (edited) So is there supposed to be a Ford press event occurring in Chicago today at 11:30 (CT??) Yes, that's what I've heard. I am a bit confused because Ford already shown the Expedition redesign a few days ago in a separate press event in Dallas. I doubt they would do another press event for the Expedition at the show again when it's been done. I'm wondering if it's a second vehicle meaning the Expedition was shown separately in order for this second one to be shown today. Which would fit the rumors of Explorer update. Some complaints of Expedition looking too 'Explorer-like' may be why Ford showed it first a few days ago before this reveal today of whatever it is. At least that's what I'm thinking. But if they're showing Expedition again today, then why the hype of having two press events within days apart for the same vehicle? Remember the confusion at the Detroit Show where they revealed the updated 2018 F-150 in a press release a few days before only to show it just a few seconds at the live event before confirming returns of Ranger and Bronco and then carrying on to full detailed plans of 'City of Tomorrow'? Certainly a WTF moment on Ford's part then and I hope this isn't another repeat of it. So I'm a bit confused and hope it is second vehicle. So yes, I'm wondering as much as you are and hoping someone could tell us both (and the rest of this thread visitors) something within the next hour in terms of if it's another vehicle or just a second Expedition reveal. Edited February 9, 2017 by pffan1990 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Explorer update and/or Mustang GT500? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pffan1990 Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 (edited) Didn't even think of Shelby GT500 though I'm sure they would save that for the New York Show due to ties of Mustang and NY shows in pasts (at least in my own opinion). We could be very well surprised though with this car. Bullitt Edition for 2018 Mustang as well? Who knows. On topic of Mustang, I'd like to see Mach 1 with Shaker hood scoop at some point with this generation. We last got it with the 2004 generation (SN-95) but not the S197 (2005-2014).Edited to add: I do however think it's the updated 2018 Explorer to carry it over towards its full redesign sometime by 2020. Edited February 9, 2017 by pffan1990 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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