twintornados Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 (edited) Lordstown, OH . It's ok, they have Chinese restaurants in Lordstown... and Mexico . Not sure on how many Chinese restaurants there are down Mexico way... Edited June 20, 2017 by twintornados Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snooter Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 Suffice to say i can scratch ford off any future consideration when it cones to grocery getters..not buying chicom crap..my chi com popcorn maker just took a crap..i can only imagine the garbage that will be put into a chi com built ford...what an idiotic move by ford here... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 Given some of the quality issues coming out of North America the last few years I'm not convinced it would be any worse. This is one area the new CEO needs to Focus on (pun intended). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snooter Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 An all-new fully electric small SUV, coming by 2020, engineered to deliver an estimated range of at least 300 miles, to be built at the Flat Rock plant and sold in North America, Europe and Asia. A small SUV is technically a compact car I think HCCI engine tech would be far wiser to invest in then the electrification crap ford seems hell bent on trying to push on us... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 So looks like we will be getting ST and RS from Germany and the rest from China. Perhaps Titanium too? I wonder if Ford is thinking of filling the ugly 15 month gap with imports from Europe, it could run with 1.5 EB auto SE (Trend), Sport, Ttanium and of course ST. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 (edited) Because it would have even worse profitably than one made in NA. Had another thought...I guess this means the Transit Connect will never be built in North America either, unless they find a way to put it with the Escape...wasn't there rumors of Escape (overflow) or the MKC moving to Mexico also? Hermosillo and Cuautitlán are up for grabs... I guess Fusion will stay in Hermosillo and EcoSport will eventually make its way to Cuautitlán. That still leaves plenty of room for Escape/MKC and Transit Connect to take up residence in one of them. There is probably also room for another CUV. It seems pretty certain based on current trends that Ford will need a 2nd supply source for Escape/MKC to meet demand in North American markets... and Mexico seems like a good bet. Perhaps Titanium too? I wonder if Ford is thinking of filling the ugly 15 month gap with imports from Europe, it could run with 1.5 EB auto SE (Trend), Sport, Ttanium and of course ST. Ford didn't introduce the 1.5EB during mid cycle refresh, it sure as hell not going to do that with another late cycle update. I think they will just stockpile a bunch of Focus at MAP before the line is shut down for retooling. Titanium is just a trim level... no reason to source it from Europe when China is able to that. The reason ST and RS may have to come from Europe is because those models likely won't be made in China. ST and RS have different drivetrain/engine combo than the regular Focus, and my guess is they will also have different key components like suspension i.e. Chinese Focus (by extension US Focus) will have Escort-like twist beam, while European Focus (and all performance models like ST) will probably retain IRS. Edited June 20, 2017 by bzcat 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 (edited) Ithink they will just stockpile a bunch of Focus at MAP before the line is shut down for retooling. I've been saying this for months, but nobody seems to agree with me. Strong rumors persist that the company wants to cut a shift in January, and keep it gone until the Bronco launches. Edited June 20, 2017 by fuzzymoomoo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 (edited) All I'm saying is that Ford seems to be making this up on the run, I don't know that they can stockpile enough Focus to get through - is the other shoe still to drop as in Ranger being pushed back? And I am a little shocked that none of the plan seems to have filtered through the regualr channels before the media got hold of it, could it be the new team not wasting money and resources on Focus ATM while concentrating on what must be done immediately.. And, if they cut a shift, there's no way that there will be any stockpile of Focus at the end, Edited June 20, 2017 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 I just saw that Fusion production last month was down to 16,700 along with 3,880 MKZ, if that production keeps going down, I wonder if third shift at FRAP begins to come in focus.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 I just saw that Fusion production last month was down to 16,700 along with 3,880 MKZ, if that production keeps going down, I wonder if third shift at FRAP begins to come in focus.. please elaborate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 (edited) please elaborate With the political climate the way it is, could there be an opportunity to move that reducing production to FRAP and vacate Hermosillo? ( Is Ford now considering moving away form Mexican production - in favor of more US jobs?) Edited June 20, 2017 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snooter Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 I still think ranger needs to be slowed down...focus gone to china kinda points to any and all profitability is soley on f150 sales..no way i would want ranger gutting in to any f150 profitability..ford is really running from sub and compact passenger cars...not a dime to be made there.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 (edited) I wonder what Focus sales would look like without the $2,500-$4,000 incentives attached... that's gotta be hurting profitability big time. Ranger won't eat into F150 sales, it will hunt in that niche just below F150 that was opened up by Ford pricing the big trucks higher. we still won't see Ranger impact in the market for around another two years, the first four months will be slow. A page or so back, someone quoted as source article for $300 million upgrade at KTP to increase Expedton/Navigator production...that is excellent news and someting I'd been wondering about. Edited June 20, 2017 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 I still think ranger needs to be slowed down...focus gone to china kinda points to any and all profitability is soley on f150 sales..no way i would want ranger gutting in to any f150 profitability..ford is really running from sub and compact passenger cars...not a dime to be made there.. and I think you're wrong and don't know what you're talking about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 With the political climate the way it is, could there be an opportunity to move that reducing production to FRAP and vacate Hermosillo? ( Is Ford now considering moving away form Mexican production - in favor of more US jobs?) eh, I can see it for a Lincoln that will command higher prices, but I'm not so sure about the Fusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 (edited) eh, I can see it for a Lincoln that will command higher prices, but I'm not so sure about the Fusion. Well, they were building base Fusons there as overflow... We live in interesting times but think about it, that move would bring all the CD4 cars together and turn FRAP into a very busy three shift plant... we can hope anyway.. Is Ford starting to "run away" from Mexico investment? Edited June 20, 2017 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 Well, they were building base Fusons there as overflow... We live in interesting times but think about it, that move would bring all the CD4 cars together and turn FRAP into a very busy three shift plant... we can hope anyway.. Is Ford starting to "run away" from Mexico investment? I hope so for their piece of mind. The company wants to eliminate their second shift. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CKNSLS Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 I do not like this at all. If they can do it to the Focus then they can do it to any other model. I don't like doing business with countries that don't have the same ideals that we have in our country, and are regularly playing Geo political games with us. You can probably thank GM for testing the waters with the Buick Envision for this sad decision. I guess I can cross the future Focus off my list for my daughter. That's great. That's what makes this a Ford board. Ford moves production to China......blame GM. LOL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 That's great. That's what makes this a Ford board. Ford moves production to China......blame GM. LOL! How can you not? They were the first to try it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danglin Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 Wow!!! did not see this one coming Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fgts Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 You didn't say anything about US or NA production. You said it wasn't wise to import all the vehicles from a questionable nation (China). They're not importing all of them from China. Well I'll elaborate since man-child keep putting up quotes to prove his point. The main point is most Focus production will come from China and IMO that's still not good, so what they have some battery cars made here (which would sell a hand full) thay couldn't keep Focus production in Can/Mex/US or even attempt to expand current facility room to keep it here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 Well I'll elaborate since man-child keep putting up quotes to prove his point. The main point is most Focus production will come from China and IMO that's still not good, so what they have some battery cars made here (which would sell a hand full) thay couldn't keep Focus production in Can/Mex/US or even attempt to expand current facility room to keep it here. its not even worth explaining it because your IQ is barely room temperature Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 :popcorn: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snooter Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 Well...ford should move ranger to mexico along with edge and escape..all cars to china...keep 2 uaw plants for f150 and close everything else down...bam..ford stock to 50bux Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fgts Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 (edited) its not even worth explaining it because your IQ is barely room temperature Well here it is, i said something else but you can figure it out smartass Edited June 21, 2017 by Fgts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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