akirby Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 Well said. When we leased our Focus, we had a pretty good idea we would be trying to have a baby soon, and knew the back seat could be a problem for a car seat. Boy we're we right. As he gets bigger and the car seat grows with him, it portrudes further into the front seat area. Its already pretty much sitting at my temple at 4 months old. I hate to get rid of it because a. It's a stick and b. I do truly love it despite its limitations, but it's just not going to work when we decide have our second one. Probably time for an Escape, Edge or Fusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 Probably time for an Escape, Edge or Fusion. Fusion. She doesn't like the higher seating position of the Escape and Edge is bigger than she feels comfortable with. The question will be do we get a 2018 or see what the 2019 is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 For all the bitching about China, China needs the US (and the rest of the world) as bad as we need China. I don't think they'd be stupid enough to cut out the rest of the world to spite themselves and we've been importing things from China for well over 25 years now without a major issue. Trade (even if it one sided to a point) is a good thing. Like its been stated before, this reeks more and more of a quick/cheap fix to keep the product profitable with minimal investment. Given the unknowns of how the market will play out over the next 5-10 years (which seems to be worrying everyone, including Toyota) with electrification, self driving cars, etc...this might be just a footnote and the product gets moved back to NA in generation after next... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 Fusion. She doesn't like the higher seating position of the Escape and Edge is bigger than she feels comfortable with. The question will be do we get a 2018 or see what the 2019 is? I'm willing to bet that the 2019 isn't all that much changed from the current Fusion...maybe the 8,9,10 speed transmission in it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 I'm willing to bet that the 2019 isn't all that much changed from the current Fusion...maybe the 8,9,10 speed transmission in it. Hopefully you're wrong and it's the next-gen model Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 She doesn't like the higher seating position of the Escape Said no woman I've ever known. Most love sitting higher up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 Said no woman I've ever known. Most love sitting higher up. Agree. Once my wife drove an SUV, another car for her was off the table and she insisted my three daughters had an SUV for their first car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 Said no woman I've ever known. Most love sitting higher up. She's always preferred the lower seating position and has always hated driving bigger cars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 She's always preferred the lower seating position and has always hated driving bigger cars. Mine went from Honda sedans to an Explorer in 1993 and pretty much refuses to drive a car since then unless she has to. She says it feels like she's sitting on the ground (and that's in a Fusion, not a sports car). That's one reason for utility popularity - women feel safer with the higher seating position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 That's one reason for utility popularity - women feel safer with the higher seating position. Then again she also thinks it safer driving 80 mph on the Interstate in traffic than it is to drive a Ferrari up to 100 mph on a closed racetrack with a few other cars with a coach in the passenger seat. Refuses to watch the videos. The lack of logic kills me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pioneer Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 (edited) Mine went from Honda sedans to an Explorer in 1993 and pretty much refuses to drive a car since then unless she has to. She says it feels like she's sitting on the ground (and that's in a Fusion, not a sports car). That's one reason for utility popularity - women feel safer with the higher seating position. Wife learned to drive on a T-bird SC. sold it for a 4-door when she had a kid then got a Pontiac somethingorother. Merging into the expressway she was sideswiped by a semi. She has driven SUV's ever since. Edited June 21, 2017 by Pioneer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 When I first met my wife she drove an Accord coupe (when they were still pretty small). She said she would never drive anything larger. Now she drives a 3-row Traverse. Go figure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 Her: Why are you going that way? Me: Because it's faster. Her: But it feels like it would be slower. Me: But I actually measured it and timed it both ways and this way is 3 minutes faster. Her: But it feels slower. Me: 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 When I first met my wife she drove an Accord coupe (when they were still pretty small). She said she would never drive anything larger. Now she drives a 3-row Traverse. Go figure. When the Expedition came out in 97 I tried to get her to look at one. No that's way too big. I would never drive something that big. 2 yrs later her petite girlfriend got one. "How much are those Expeditions again?". 2 months later we traded her Explorer for the Expedition. Aaaarrrrggghhhhhhhhhh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe771476 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 I still have my 30 year old washer and dryer. Why? Because that's how long they were designed to last!! Sure I've replaced a few belts, but I did so because I know they're going to keep going and going and going! Nowadays when you buy these Chinese appliances they tell you they won't last more than 10 years and want you to buy a warranty policy for 5 years or so! They probably won't crap out in five years, but they will in ten! There's no way I'll ever buy a Chinese made car! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 After getting her Escape in '02, my wife had sworn off cars. We bought my parents' 2010 Milan back in February to drive while I was between trucks, and my daughter will drive the Milan when she gets her permit next year. We washed and waxed my truck and the wife's Flex about 3 weeks ago. My wife has been driving the Milan since "because it might rain, and they are doing road work". For 3 weeks the freshly waxed Flex has been sitting in the garage looking shiny and clean with nobody to impress but my truck (hey, maybe we will have baby Flex-350's??). So, I said when it's time to replace the Flex, we can look at a Fusion Energi. Her response: "No, I hate driving cars." Me: "But, your dri....never mind" Don't try to confuse women with logic. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mettech Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 Volvo is importing cars that are made in China to the U.S and the quality has been above average. I think, if the current group of Chinese show long term quality, the auto groups will flock to China. Cost, quality,dependability.... that is the measuring stick for a labor force. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 Mine went from Honda sedans to an Explorer in 1993 and pretty much refuses to drive a car since then unless she has to. She says it feels like she's sitting on the ground (and that's in a Fusion, not a sports car). That's one reason for utility popularity - women feel safer with the higher seating position. I used to have a 2002 Explorer Sport and she refused to drive it unless she absolutely had to. In the 4 years I had it she drove it maybe 3 times. My wife would be the opposite of yours. She would drag me out of the Ferrari so she could drive it herself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 When the Expedition came out in 97 I tried to get her to look at one. No that's way too big. I would never drive something that big. 2 yrs later her petite girlfriend got one. "How much are those Expeditions again?". 2 months later we traded her Explorer for the Expedition. Aaaarrrrggghhhhhhhhhh Lol that sucks. Neither of us are the 'keeping up with the Joneses' type. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 Volvo is importing cars that are made in China to the U.S and the quality has been above average. I think, if the current group of Chinese show long term quality, the auto groups will flock to China. Cost, quality,dependability.... that is the measuring stick for a labor force. This. The latest Envision is selling quite well and getting good reviews, the fun starts when all the brands start using China as a low cost base to deliver vehicles in price sensitive segments... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sevensecondsuv Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 My wife loves manual transmissions. Best decision I ever made!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 I still have my 30 year old washer and dryer. Why? Because that's how long they were designed to last!! Not any more...maybe 10-15 years...manufactures figured out that making major end item purchases last that long where hurting the bottom line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 (edited) Nothing says designed obsolescence like a Focus with a Powershift... Q. What sits on your wall and hums for 90 days and then stops A. An A/C with a 90 day warranty. Edited June 21, 2017 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANTAUS Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 I just absorbed a new house that I'll be renting out. My A/C guy came out, sees it's a 30 year old Trane system. He says he can make it work for $1200 because back then they were built for durability, he shows me all the parts (as I yawned) of todays Tranes, and yesterdays Trane, and why all the changes took place (efficiency mainly). Yes, I do believe back then "some" things were more durable, but we are a throw-away society. The same top of the line Washer/Dryers I bought 4 years ago I'm now bored with and want to put in the above mentioned rental, only because "OH Look the new ones I can this new feature, and I can control it thru my phone" (Forget the fact I have a housekeeper and its really the only one that works it)...But as technology improves and features are added,consumers usually want the newer toys and don't mind paying more for it. (Hence, the higher transactions on Fords-higher sales on upper Trims).... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullynd Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 At one point Japanese cars were considered crap. Then Korean. Now? The Chinese made Volvo is only one version (LWB) of the midsize sedan, right? Our phones, TVs, etc are made where? I have no doubt they can build quality. I do wonder if the dumbed down C car imported from China shouldn't have been the next Escort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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