jpd80 Posted August 18, 2018 Share Posted August 18, 2018 I realize that, we were discussing the road going Mustangs that have IRS. My suggestions for a road going CJ are already covered by current GT350 and the coming GT500 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucelinc Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 My point is that a road going CJ (if they were offer such a thing) should retain the solid axle. The only people who would buy a road going CJ would want to take it to the strip. The IRS has been the weak link for drag racing S550 Mustangs and the guys who are serious would relish a solid axle. The GT 350 is worthless for drag racing. That is just not its forte and wasn't meant to be. The GT 500 should be the hot ticket for weekend warriors at the dragstrip, assuming they come with beefed up halfshafts and reworked IRS to eliminate the wheelhop for which S550 Mustangs are notorious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stray Kat Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 My point is that a road going CJ (if they were offer such a thing) should retain the solid axle. The only people who would buy a road going CJ would want to take it to the strip. The IRS has been the weak link for drag racing S550 Mustangs and the guys who are serious would relish a solid axle. The GT 350 is worthless for drag racing. That is just not its forte and wasn't meant to be. The GT 500 should be the hot ticket for weekend warriors at the dragstrip, assuming they come with beefed up halfshafts and reworked IRS to eliminate the wheelhop for which S550 Mustangs are notorious. Just dreaming here but what if the GT500 became the straight line star and left the road racing to the GT350? Think of the weight Ford could save with a proper SRA and carbon fiber drive shaft. If you think about it most muscle car guys go for straightline blasts on freeway on ramps and lonesome roads. It’s pretty hard to road race in today’s public road environment. Dodge hit exactly the correct and underserved market when it decided to build the Demon. A straightline GT500 with a stick axle could benefit directly from the Cobra Jet drag racing program. As a matter of fact why don’t they just drop the GT500 name and just call this hypocritical road legal version the Cobra Jet as well? The “Cobra Jet” name evokes more of a visceral feeling than simply GT500 anyways. Probably for all muscle car fans not just Ford people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fgts Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 If you think about it most muscle car guys go for straightline blasts on freeway on ramps and lonesome roads. Its pretty hard to road race in todays public road environment. Dodge hit exactly the correct and underserved market when it decided to build the Demon. As a matter of fact why dont they just drop the GT500 name and just call this hypocritical road legal version the Cobra Jet as well? The Cobra Jet name evokes more of a visceral feeling than simply GT500 anyways. Probably for all muscle car fans not just Ford people. Or just a street Cobra Jet, the GT500 and 350 can have the curves and luxury, the CJ can have an SRA, built-in roll cage, optional passenger seats and optional A/C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 We know that since the return of the CJ in 2008, Ford has been doing 50 or so of these off road drag specials but Ford hasn't shown any interest in doing an on road version of the Cobra Jet. I feel like I've opened Pandora's box. on this one without fully understanding what would be considered essential with a road going version of the Cobra Jet drag special. The changes needed and the cost to do it including full field validation probably goes way beyond anything Ford would entertain. While an SRA set up would be ideal for drag racing, I see that BMR Suspensions have done some good work on bushes and links for improving the hook upof IRS and eliminating wheel hop. http://www.mustangandfords.com/how-to/chassis-suspension/1602-s550-tech-bmr-suspension-takes-the-slack-out-of-irs/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucelinc Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 While an SRA set up would be ideal for drag racing, I see that BMR Suspensions have done some good work on bushes and links for improving the hook upof IRS and eliminating wheel hop. http://www.mustangandfords.com/how-to/chassis-suspension/1602-s550-tech-bmr-suspension-takes-the-slack-out-of-irs/ There are aftermarket solutions for wheel hop from BMR and Steeda among others and I have used some of their stuff. However, to fully stop the hop, the parts and pieces increase NVH to the point of making the car nearly unsuitable for daily driving and much worse than old stick axle Mustangs. Then, if much power is added or if you are using sticky tires, upgraded half-shafts are absolutely necessary. The 2018s are better at controlling hop than the 15-17 models, especially on models with the performance package. I suspect the GT500 will be much better yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 (edited) There are aftermarket solutions for wheel hop from BMR and Steeda among others and I have used some of their stuff. However, to fully stop the hop, the parts and pieces increase NVH to the point of making the car nearly unsuitable for daily driving and much worse than old stick axle Mustangs. Then, if much power is added or if you are using sticky tires, upgraded half-shafts are absolutely necessary. The 2018s are better at controlling hop than the 15-17 models, especially on models with the performance package. I suspect the GT500 will be much better yet. Well that is to be hoped because the original IRS was a borrow from the CD4 program If GT500 has that massive torque and hinted 760 hp, the IRS is going to need serious rework with stronger half shafts, links and bushes. Throwing nearly double the power through the same rear axle and suspension isn't going to fly... A similar situation happened with the S/C Falcons in 2010, over there, Ford was forced to re-engineer the rear with stronger axles, better bushes and links to control the huge increase of power and torque. Those Miami engines were so under rated but produced up to 460 hp at the rear wheels with full warranty. Edited August 19, 2018 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 I think you’re overthinking it. I think they’re going to make a road going mustang GT500 with a supercharged 5.2 in the 700-800 hp range. And whatever they need to do to get that power to the ground. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 (edited) Yes agree entirely and thought that was what I was implying So with that, Ford doesnt need to do any other rear suspension than that planned for the GT500 Edited August 20, 2018 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucelinc Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 Agree....at least I certainly hope you are right. Ford knows that the current suspension tuning and half-shafts will not tolerate the kind of power the GT500 will have. They also have the resources to tame the IRS without causing the NVH that the band-aids from BMR and Steeda cause. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSchicago Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 (edited) Ford should build a street legal Cobra Jet. Bring back the SCJ name for that one. A Cobra Jet that is street legal, not just the loaded up GT500. 9" rear and all. 8.90's street legal. Make 5,000 available per year. Edited August 20, 2018 by LSchicago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 Make 5,000 available per year. And sell 50. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stray Kat Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 And sell 50. Dodge sells every Demon they build and so far I think it’s over 8000. This is the same kind of thinking that got Ford behind the Tacoma and Colorado midi-trucks. They’re throwing money away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcartwright99 Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 Dodge sells every Demon they build and so far I think it’s over 8000 3300. This is the same kind of thinking that got Ford behind the Tacoma and Colorado midi-trucks. They’re throwing money away. Fixed that for you. They no longer make the Demon, as it was a short run niche car. Comparing that to trucks is apples to oranges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 They’ll sell far more GT500s than street legal CJs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stray Kat Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 Fixed that for you. They no longer make the Demon, as it was a short run niche car. Comparing that to trucks is apples to oranges. Not comparing products I’m comparing flawed thinking. If the run of Demons is over they have replaced them with Hellcat Redeye. I’m sure this was a move to capitalize on this market with a product they can mass produce. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Something to consider if you're in the market to spend $70,000 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timmm55 Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 The 2020 GT500 ended up being a lot more than just a CJ quarter horse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FordBuyer Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 Mullinax Ford in Orlando area has brand new CJ sitting on its showroom floor. I believe they are asking $129,000 for it. The have been trying to sell it for months. Check it out on its website. Last I looked it was still there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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