atomcat68 Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 2 minutes ago, Assimilator said: Cost cutting is taking some excitement out of Ford's future, have to admit. The future isn't as extravagant as originally envisioned anyway. I agree. It sounds like the Bronco will disappoint and not hit sales projections. The flip side is that in 2005, they did this with the Mustang by not adding IRS and making a cheap interior (but admittingly it at least looked great!) and it was a smash hit. But then again the Bronco does not equal the Mustang as we know which one customers didn't really miss for the 20 plus years it was discontinued. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 7 minutes ago, Assimilator said: Cost cutting is taking some excitement out of Ford's future Yep, I was afraid of that happening. Might not buy new for a while until they bring in a new CEO who realizes cutting your way to profitability isn't going to work in the long run. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 4 hours ago, fuzzymoomoo said: Eh, I don't see that being able to do anything the 10R couldn't do True but most Ranger and Transit are sold with manual transmission Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YT90SC Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 3 hours ago, akirby said: Even the 2.0 has more torque than the 3.5L NA. And you can get the 2.7T which blows it away. And neither one will kill the engine when the water pump dies. I'd still opt for the Cyclone. Barring total water pump failure, you're not killing the engine OR trans. We have water pumped a lot of milkshaked 3.5 without issue. In FWD version, they're probably the most reliable powertrain Ford builds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MY93SHO Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 4 minutes ago, bzcat said: True but most Ranger and Transit are sold with manual transmission In the US? Elsewhere doesn't matter for our market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 43 minutes ago, MY93SHO said: In the US? Elsewhere doesn't matter for our market. In the whole world. And I didn't say it was for the US market. What makes everyone think the 7 speed manual is for the US market? It could be (and makes much more sense) that Ford is developing it primarily for markets outside the US where vast majority of Ford with longitude engines are diesel Ranger and Transit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Rosadini Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 How about instead of replacing EVERY window in the train station, maybe every other one and bricking up the others? Yes I know, I'm narrow minded and the train station will pay long term dividends long after the next Bronco is forgotten. My grandkids will enjoy the dividends generated because of all the brilliant minds that will flock to Ford to work in that magnificent structure.? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackinaw Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 2 hours ago, atomcat68 said: It sounds like the Bronco will disappoint and not hit sales projections. Let me get this straight. You're basing your assumption on a unsubstantiated rumor for a vehicle nobody's ever seen, much less driven. Only on BON. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
probowler Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 I'd prefer Ford cancel the Bronco rather then cheap out and half ass this comeback. Hopefully the rumors aren't true.... but I don't have a ton of faith in Ford at the moment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 I don’t think a hybrid is a deal breaker for a vehicle like Bronco. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANTAUS Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 (edited) _ Edited December 27, 2018 by ANTAUS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANTAUS Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 11 hours ago, MY93SHO said: What engine options have been lost? V6 in Mustang, what else? 3.5L/3.7L was dropped as an option in the Edge, Mustang and F150. Edge just has the 2.0L and 2.7L in Sport trim to simplify the offerings... The 3.7L was dropped in the F150 and MKX as well. I would expect that MKT and Flex would be next to drop it, as they are dropped as well. The 2.3L can do the job, with more torque, so might as well simplify things. Quote Edit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 (edited) A bit of perspective. There's nothing to suggest that Ford is about to chop the guts out of what it refers to internally as a Ford brand Iconic vehicle (like Mustang). I think some are reading way too much into this as a Hybrid Bronco would be hard to justify, especially with relatively ow gas prices. If it has has been scrapped, it's because Ford thinks that very few people would have bought it Edited December 27, 2018 by jpd80 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoldwizard Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 A 7 speed Bronco would make sense IF they can extremely wide ratio that would eliminate the need for a 2 speed transfer case. Maybe a lockout on the first 3 or 4 gears except for off road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted December 27, 2018 Author Share Posted December 27, 2018 4 hours ago, jpd80 said: A bit of perspective. There's nothing to suggest that Ford is about to chop the guts out of what it refers to internally as a Ford brand Iconic vehicle (like Mustang). I think some are reading way too much into this as a Hybrid Bronco would be hard to justify, especially with relatively ow gas prices. If it has has been scrapped, it's because Ford thinks that very few people would have bought it No, its its the sky is falling perspective that people have to automatically assume the worst is happening-Ford is partly at fault here to a point too, with its terrible presentation of its future plans for the past few years. I'm interested in a hybrid Bronco, but it I just have to settle for a regular 2.7L Ecoboost, I'm not going to complain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
probowler Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 Is there a danger to driving a hybrid through water? I just wonder how safe that is for more extreme off-roading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 8 hours ago, akirby said: I don’t think a hybrid is a deal breaker for a vehicle like Bronco. You’re right, it's probably not. But for them to say it's coming (it came from Joe Hinrichs himself) then renege on it and axe it due to cost cuts is absolutely unconscionable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 16 minutes ago, probowler said: Is there a danger to driving a hybrid through water? I just wonder how safe that is for more extreme off-roading. I highly doubt anyone buying a hybrid Bronco (or likewise F-150) would be doing any serious off-roading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 6 hours ago, jpd80 said: If it has has been scrapped, it's because Ford thinks that very few people would have bought it Then they should have STFU about it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 24 minutes ago, fuzzymoomoo said: You’re right, it's probably not. But for them to say it's coming (it came from Joe Hinrichs himself) then renege on it and axe it due to cost cuts is absolutely unconscionable. The stupid part is announcing Bronco 3 years before it debuts and talking about powertrains 2 years early. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harley Lover Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 22 minutes ago, fuzzymoomoo said: Then they should have STFU about it... All of this traces back to The Mullet and the stupid idea to reveal the plan for the Bronco far too early in its development - a decision that was driven by having very little to show at NAIAS and having a piss poor plan for what was shown. If they had kept the Bronco on the down low for a couple more years (even just one more year) it would have helped them quite a bit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 19 hours ago, Assimilator said: Bronco is getting the 7-Speed, but only on the 2.3L. The 2.7L Hybrid is apparently in doubt now, it may not happen...so watch this space. 7 hours ago, jpd80 said: A bit of perspective. There's nothing to suggest that Ford is about to chop the guts out of what it refers to internally as a Ford brand Iconic vehicle (like Mustang). I think some are reading way too much into this as a Hybrid Bronco would be hard to justify, especially with relatively ow gas prices. If it has has been scrapped, it's because Ford thinks that very few people would have bought it 2 hours ago, silvrsvt said: No, its its the sky is falling perspective that people have to automatically assume the worst is happening-Ford is partly at fault here to a point too, with its terrible presentation of its future plans for the past few years. I'm interested in a hybrid Bronco, but it I just have to settle for a regular 2.7L Ecoboost, I'm not going to complain. It's disappointing to me if this is true. They hybrid was at the top of my list of Bronco considerations. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willwll313wll Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 34 minutes ago, rmc523 said: It's disappointing to me if this is true. They hybrid was at the top of my list of Bronco considerations. Sam.e if they think a Bronco hybrid won’t sell, or people won’t pay for it, they are wrong. I drive a bronco daily now and single digit mpgs eat my pocket! But it’s either that or rack up miles in my Bullitt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 44 minutes ago, rmc523 said: It's disappointing to me if this is true. They hybrid was at the top of my list of Bronco considerations. not if projected cost was higher than originally calculated....imagine a 70k hybrid Bronco..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 Just now, Deanh said: not if projected cost was higher than originally calculated....imagine a 70k hybrid Bronco..... fair enough. But if the system ran the cost up that high, they have much bigger issues across the board with that system projected to go in so many models. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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