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20 minutes ago, rperez817 said:

No investor or media outlet needs publicly released monthly sales data from automakers. It's a total waste of time and effort.

Its more or less a relic of the 1960s to prove one upmanship

 

 

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48 minutes ago, silvrsvt said:

Its more or less a relic of the 1960s to prove one upmanship

Monthly sales reporting in the U.S. auto market actually goes back to the 1990s. Chrysler Corporation was the first to do it, in 1991. All the other automakers followed the monthly approach by the mid 1990s. Prior to Chrysler's action in 1991, it was customary to report auto sales every 10 days. NYT times said the following. https://www.nytimes.com/1990/12/01/business/10-day-sales-chrysler-won-t-tell.html

"The 10-day report compiling dealers' sales was invented in the 1920's by Alfred P. Sloan Jr., the longtime chairman of General Motors, and his colleagues as a response to a lack of information about sales and inventory that had nearly caused GM to collapse. Other auto makers followed G.M. and the 10-day number grew into a reporting convention."

Tesla was the first major automaker to do quarterly sales reporting to media and investors in the 2000s. The other two U.S. domestic automakers started doing this more recently. GM in 2017, and Ford in 2019. 

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Just now, rperez817 said:

Monthly sales reporting in the U.S. auto market actually goes back to the 1990s. Chrysler Corporation was the first to do it, in 1991. All the other automakers followed the monthly approach by the mid 1990s. Prior to Chrysler's action in 1991, it was customary to report auto sales every 10 days. NYT times said the following. https://www.nytimes.com/1990/12/01/business/10-day-sales-chrysler-won-t-tell.html

 

 

Tesla was the first major automaker to do quarterly sales reporting to media and investors in the 2000s. The other two U.S. domestic automakers started doing this more recently. GM in 2017, and Ford in 2019. 

We need a definition for "major".

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On 1/3/2019 at 11:23 PM, rperez817 said:

All 3 major U.S. domestic automakers will now do quarterly sales reporting. I bet the foreign automakers will join the club in 2019.

FCA is the first foreign automaker announcing that it will do quarterly sales reporting in the U.S., starting in Q3 2019. https://www.autonews.com/sales/fca-shift-quarterly-sales-reports-us-and-canada

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Did we miss April sales results though?

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11 hours ago, ANTAUS said:

Did we miss April sales results though?

They are finally up at carsalesbase.com. Separate listings for Ford and Lincoln.  See:

http://carsalesbase.com/us-car-sales-data/ford/

http://carsalesbase.com/us-car-sales-data/lincoln/

Sales of both are down (as is the case for car sales in general). I see that Lincoln numbers are softening considerably, turning around one of Ford's recent positive sales stories. My guess is this is in part due to a sales pause in advance of Aviator hitting the streets. 

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C-Max    3
Fiesta    6,697
Focus    953
Fusion    14,850
GT    20
Mustang    8,020
Taurus    1,367
Total Ford car    31,910
E-series van    4,731
EcoSport     5,921
Edge    8,658
Escape    20,487
Expedition    7,961
Explorer    12,923
F series    70,006
Flex    1,447
Ranger    5,748
Transit    13,415
Transit Connect    3,026
Total Ford truck    154,323
Total Ford    186,233

Continental    379
MKZ    1,414
Total Lincoln car    1,793
MKC    1,729
MKT    434
Nautilus/MKX    2,530
Navigator    1,500
Total Lincoln truck    6,193
Total Lincoln    7,986
Ford Motor Co. car    33,703
Ford Motor Co. truck    160,516
FORD MOTOR CO.    194,219

Cascada     260
LaCrosse    1,010
Regal    1,186
Verano    1
Total Buick car     2,457
Enclave    4,378
Encore     8,562
Envision     2,653
Total Buick truck    15,593
Total Buick     18,050
ATS    182
CT6    761
CTS    845
XTS    1,299
Total Cadillac car    3,087
Escalade    1,495
Escalade ESV    878
SRX    0
XT4    2,445
XT5    4,620
Total Cadillac truck    9,438
Total Cadillac     12,525
Bolt    1,502
Camaro    4,205
Caprice     1
Corvette    1,372
Cruze    8,112
Impala    4,614
Malibu    11,900
Sonic    1,552
Spark     2,235
SS     0
Volt    877
Total Chevrolet car    36,370
Blazer    1,052
City Express    228
Colorado    11,655
Equinox    30,796
Express van    5,991
Silverado    39,779
Suburban    3,838
Tahoe    7,256
Traverse    11,909
Trax    8,553
Total Chevrolet truck    121,057
Total Chevrolet     157,427
Acadia    10,857
Canyon    2,420
Savana van    2,285
Sierra    14,109
Terrain    8,826
Yukon    2,497
Yukon XL    2,705
Total GMC truck    43,699
General Motors car    41,914
General Motors truck    189,787
GENERAL MOTORS*    231,701

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4 hours ago, jpd80 said:

C-Max    3
Fiesta    6,697
Focus    953
Fusion    14,850
GT    20
Mustang    8,020
Taurus    1,367
Total Ford car    31,910
E-series van    4,731
EcoSport     5,921
Edge    8,658
Escape    20,487
Expedition    7,961
Explorer    12,923
F series    70,006
Flex    1,447
Ranger    5,748
Transit    13,415
Transit Connect    3,026
Total Ford truck    154,323
Total Ford    186,233

Continental    379
MKZ    1,414
Total Lincoln car    1,793
MKC    1,729
MKT    434
Nautilus/MKX    2,530
Navigator    1,500
Total Lincoln truck    6,193
Total Lincoln    7,986
Ford Motor Co. car    33,703
Ford Motor Co. truck    160,516
FORD MOTOR CO.    194,219

Cascada     260
LaCrosse    1,010
Regal    1,186
Verano    1
Total Buick car     2,457
Enclave    4,378
Encore     8,562
Envision     2,653
Total Buick truck    15,593
Total Buick     18,050
ATS    182
CT6    761
CTS    845
XTS    1,299
Total Cadillac car    3,087
Escalade    1,495
Escalade ESV    878
SRX    0
XT4    2,445
XT5    4,620
Total Cadillac truck    9,438
Total Cadillac     12,525
Bolt    1,502
Camaro    4,205
Caprice     1
Corvette    1,372
Cruze    8,112
Impala    4,614
Malibu    11,900
Sonic    1,552
Spark     2,235
SS     0
Volt    877
Total Chevrolet car    36,370
Blazer    1,052
City Express    228
Colorado    11,655
Equinox    30,796
Express van    5,991
Silverado    39,779
Suburban    3,838
Tahoe    7,256
Traverse    11,909
Trax    8,553
Total Chevrolet truck    121,057
Total Chevrolet     157,427
Acadia    10,857
Canyon    2,420
Savana van    2,285
Sierra    14,109
Terrain    8,826
Yukon    2,497
Yukon XL    2,705
Total GMC truck    43,699
General Motors car    41,914
General Motors truck    189,787
GENERAL MOTORS*    231,701

MKZ is a great success, which has no attention from Lincoln. ATS has never succeeded, CTS neither the MKZ sales. Lincoln Continental is a failure. The MKZ should have a successor

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1 hour ago, RadicalX said:

MKZ is a great success, which has no attention from Lincoln. ATS has never succeeded, CTS neither the MKZ sales. Lincoln Continental is a failure. The MKZ should have a successor

The continental is just missing something. I saw a beautiful white black label last week driving. It’s just missing a little something. I think marketing would be a start. The Escalade isn’t that good. Neither is the 300. But they have a social stigma. The continental needs some attention. 

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25 minutes ago, fordtech1 said:

The continental is just missing something. I saw a beautiful white black label last week driving. It’s just missing a little something. I think marketing would be a start. The Escalade isn’t that good. Neither is the 300. But they have a social stigma. The continental needs some attention. 

Pay attention to what does not give return or pay attention to the sedan that accumulates almost 1500 sales? If the MKZ had the interior of the Aviator and a renewed rear would be unbeatable. MKZ is a car that you want to die, but it insists on surviving, while the Continental you invest and does not generate any favorable results

Edited by RadicalX

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I follow the Continental's sales since the premiere and the model has even gone from 1500 units a month. While the MKZ, which has decade of history and was once the best seller of Lincoln dies at a minimum, showing still potential. If the Cadillac had the MKZ, I wouldn't neglect it

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What's up with the Ranger?  We are nearly 6 months in and sales appear to be sluggish compared to the Taco and Colorado.   I live in the land of every millennial with a job and mediocre credit score buying a new Truck or Jeep- I have only seen 4 Rangers and two were rentals!  Even with the limited early production numbers Fuzzy has been providing - the math says they are not selling nearly as many as they are building, not nearly at the pace of the 120k per year we heard about as the target.

 

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23 minutes ago, Kev-Mo said:

We are nearly 6 months in

No we aren't. They only just started shipping the week before Christmas. January was the first full month on sale.

That 120k number I threw out a year ago was a forecast. No telling what estimates are right now. 

Edited by fuzzymoomoo

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37 minutes ago, Kev-Mo said:

Even with the limited early production numbers Fuzzy has been providing - the math says they are not selling nearly as many as they are building, not nearly at the pace of the 120k per year we heard about as the target.

 

I still haven't seen any in my area-and its not like there isn't 1 million plus potential buyers in my area either. 

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1 hour ago, fuzzymoomoo said:

 No telling what estimates are right now.  

I had such high hopes for Ford on this one.   I would say it is somewhat obvious this is not selling like we hoped it would.

As of today I have seen half as many Jeep Gladiators on the road as Rangers...Don't think the Jeeps were rentals. 

 

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1 hour ago, fuzzymoomoo said:

No we aren't. They only just started shipping the week before Christmas. January was the first full month on sale.

That 120k number I threw out a year ago was a forecast. No telling what estimates are right now.  

5700 sales in April - that's about 1/2  to 2/3 of what you are building - no?

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17 hours ago, ANTAUS said:

Yeah but RMC breaks it down and makes it purdy for us to understand, we are now spoiled...💗

Ha, sorry!  I have them all pretty, I can post it here or in its own thread if we want?

 

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8 minutes ago, rmc523 said:

And for fun, GM numbers:

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XT5 and Escalade hold the whole Cadillac. Chevy crossovers and Camaro are going well. GMC is only with the growing Acadia and Buick is as strong with crossovers as Chevrolet. Strange is to notice the Buick Regal selling well

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GM has to be concerned with the sales of the BOF SUV's from a plant perspective. Even at the profit they generate sales of 200K for an assembly plant is not good plant utilization.

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3 minutes ago, jasonj80 said:

GM has to be concerned with the sales of the BOF SUV's from a plant perspective. Even at the profit they generate sales of 200K for an assembly plant is not good plant utilization.

Also losing 15% of your full sized truck market share doesn't help either

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2 minutes ago, silvrsvt said:

Also losing 15% of your full sized truck market share doesn't help either

Their spin on that is they’re still ramping up production and not all configurations are available yet. 

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