silvrsvt Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 (edited) Buick ending Sedan sales in the US? https://autoweek.com/article/car-news/end-buick-cars-us-near?utm_source=daily-drive&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20190731&utm_content=article2-headline Malibu going away in 2024, replaced by a BEV? http://gmauthority.com/blog/2019/07/report-chevrolet-malibu-to-die-in-2024/ Edited July 31, 2019 by silvrsvt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 53 minutes ago, silvrsvt said: Buick ending Sedan Production in the US? Yes sir, that already happened about 6 months ago. The last Buick sedan assembled in the U.S. came off the line at GM's Detroit/Hamtramck Assembly Plant on February 15, 2019. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted July 31, 2019 Author Share Posted July 31, 2019 3 hours ago, rperez817 said: Yes sir, that already happened about 6 months ago. The last Buick sedan assembled in the U.S. came off the line at GM's Detroit/Hamtramck Assembly Plant on February 15, 2019. And you didn't even read the article...no more Buick CARS sold in the US Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, silvrsvt said: And you didn't even read the article...no more Buick CARS sold in the US Re-read the first question in the OP. You asked the question, I provided the answer. Edited August 1, 2019 by rperez817 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurgeh Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 Buick is all about China 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 On 7/31/2019 at 7:14 PM, silvrsvt said: And you didn't even read the article...no more Buick CARS sold in the US You said Production, not sales (originally before you edited it). So technically rperez was correct as much as I hate to say that. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGR Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 I did some looking. In 1995, the Big 3 sold a total of 68 car models in the US. It was GM 34, Ford 18, and Chrysler 16. 25 years later(2020) they will sell a total of 15! You have to add in the Tesla Model 3 and S to get to 1/4 of what the domestic automakers sold a quarter century ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-150 Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 3 hours ago, AGR said: I did some looking. In 1995, the Big 3 sold a total of 68 car models in the US. It was GM 34, Ford 18, and Chrysler 16. 25 years later(2020) they will sell a total of 15! You have to add in the Tesla Model 3 and S to get to 1/4 of what the domestic automakers sold a quarter century ago. Check your math. Ford alone has 15 models.for every model disappearing, another is taking its place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted August 6, 2019 Author Share Posted August 6, 2019 3 hours ago, AGR said: I did some looking. In 1995, the Big 3 sold a total of 68 car models in the US. It was GM 34, Ford 18, and Chrysler 16. 25 years later(2020) they will sell a total of 15! You have to add in the Tesla Model 3 and S to get to 1/4 of what the domestic automakers sold a quarter century ago. Keep in mind those numbers a bit inflated due to badge engineering of products at the time Then Chevy, Pontiac, Olds, Buick and Caddy Ford/Mercury/Lincoln Plymouth/Dodge/Chrysler Today: Chevy/Buick/Caddy Ford/Lincoln Dodge/Chrysler 11 vs 7 of today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGR Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 1 hour ago, J-150 said: Check your math. Ford alone has 15 models.for every model disappearing, another is taking its place. Nope, my math is mostly fine.(I overcounted Ford by a couple I think) This thread is implicitly about cars, not crossovers, pickups, SUVs, minivans or commercial vans. I was bringing actual numbers to the conversation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGR Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 1 hour ago, silvrsvt said: Keep in mind those numbers a bit inflated due to badge engineering of products at the time Then Chevy, Pontiac, Olds, Buick and Caddy Ford/Mercury/Lincoln Plymouth/Dodge/Chrysler Today: Chevy/Buick/Caddy Ford/Lincoln Dodge/Chrysler 11 vs 7 of today Of course, that was at the height of badge engineering. But you left off Geo, Saturn, and Eagle, so it's 14 then, 7 now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 List of model year 2020 passenger cars, U.S. market from U.S. domestic automakers. 2-door coupe/convertible Chevrolet Camaro Chevrolet Corvette Ford Mustang 4-door sedan Cadillac CT4 Cadillac CT5 Cadillac CT6 Chevrolet Impala Chevrolet Malibu Chevrolet Sonic sedan Ford Fusion Tesla Model 3 5-door hatchback Buick Regal Sportback Chevrolet Sonic hatchback Chevrolet Spark Tesla Model S Wagon Buick Regal TourX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SodiumMonkey Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 5 minutes ago, rperez817 said: List of model year 2020 passenger cars, U.S. market from U.S. domestic automakers. 2-door coupe/convertible Chevrolet Camaro Chevrolet Corvette Ford Mustang 4-door sedan Cadillac CT4 Cadillac CT5 Cadillac CT6 Chevrolet Impala Chevrolet Malibu Chevrolet Sonic sedan Ford Fusion Tesla Model 3 5-door hatchback Buick Regal Sportback Chevrolet Sonic hatchback Chevrolet Spark Tesla Model S Wagon Buick Regal TourX Crazy to see how small the list is now. I guess the Tesla Model X is considered an SUV? I'd call it closer to a 5-door hatchback or wagon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 2 hours ago, SodiumMonkey said: Crazy to see how small the list is now. I guess the Tesla Model X is considered an SUV? I'd call it closer to a 5-door hatchback or wagon. Officially, EPA puts Tesla Model X in the "Standard Sport Utility Vehicle 4WD" category. But I agree with you SodiumMonkey sir, it's close to being a 5 door hatchback or wagon. In my previous post, I forgot 2 additional models in the 4-door sedan category. Looks like both of these still live on for 2020 model year. 9. Lincoln Continental 10. Lincoln MKZ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atomcat68 Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 I also don't know if FCA cars were omitted on purpose because of the euro ownership, but Charger Challenger and 300 would be three more. I still kind of consider FCA's traditional brands American despite the foreign ownership and Fiat has done a good job preserving the "American-ness" of the brands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 12 minutes ago, atomcat68 said: I also don't know if FCA cars were omitted on purpose because of the euro ownership That's correct atomcat68 sir. List is all 2020 passenger cars that will be sold new in the U.S. by a U.S. headquartered automaker. Some of these cars are designed and built outside of the U.S. For example, both Buicks are designed, engineered, and built in Germany. Chevrolet Spark is designed, engineered, and built in Asia, mostly South Korea. Of course, on the flip side foreign carmakers like FCA, Toyota, VW, etc. have cars designed, engineered, and built in the U.S. And those companies and their dealerships employ lots of Americans. But the list focuses on what the 3 major U.S. domestic automakers (GM, Ford, Tesla) have to offer that are cars, not light trucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGR Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 35 minutes ago, atomcat68 said: I also don't know if FCA cars were omitted on purpose because of the euro ownership, but Charger Challenger and 300 would be three more. I still kind of consider FCA's traditional brands American despite the foreign ownership and Fiat has done a good job preserving the "American-ness" of the brands. I still count Chrysler as American through a sort of grandfather clause. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted August 7, 2019 Author Share Posted August 7, 2019 19 hours ago, AGR said: Of course, that was at the height of badge engineering. But you left off Geo, Saturn, and Eagle, so it's 14 then, 7 now. Just shows you how well they are remembered ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 13 hours ago, rperez817 said: That's correct atomcat68 sir. List is all 2020 passenger cars that will be sold new in the U.S. by a U.S. headquartered automaker. Some of these cars are designed and built outside of the U.S. For example, both Buicks are designed, engineered, and built in Germany. Chevrolet Spark is designed, engineered, and built in Asia, mostly South Korea. Of course, on the flip side foreign carmakers like FCA, Toyota, VW, etc. have cars designed, engineered, and built in the U.S. And those companies and their dealerships employ lots of Americans. But the list focuses on what the 3 major 2 major and 1 minor U.S. domestic automakers (GM, Ford, Tesla) have to offer that are cars, not light trucks. fixed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurgeh Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 On 8/6/2019 at 12:34 PM, AGR said: Of course, that was at the height of badge engineering. But you left off Geo, Saturn, and Eagle, so it's 14 then, 7 now. On 8/7/2019 at 8:05 AM, silvrsvt said: Just shows you how well they are remembered ? Actually, Saturn for a few years in the 90s was making a big spash. I owned the original Saturn sedan and the buying and owning experience was first rate. But then GM smothered the brand ending its special characteristics, gimped its new product development, and it just became another Pontiac or Olds or whatever, with no particular purpose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grbeck Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Gurgeh said: Actually, Saturn for a few years in the 90s was making a big spash. I owned the original Saturn sedan and the buying and owning experience was first rate. But then GM smothered the brand ending its special characteristics, gimped its new product development, and it just became another Pontiac or Olds or whatever, with no particular purpose. That's because Saturn only made money for one year, from what I've read. The warm-and-fuzzy commercials and Tennessee "homecomings" were not enough to compensate for the continued losses racked up by Saturn. Edited August 8, 2019 by grbeck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullynd Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 The Sky was one of my favorite GM vehicles. It could have easily become a Chevy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-150 Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 1 hour ago, sullynd said: The Sky was one of my favorite GM vehicles. It could have easily become a Chevy. I think that was a miss. The Sky should have been a Saab and the 9-2x a Saturn. The 9-7 should have never existed. Badge engineering can work if done within the brand character. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 Nothing wrong with Sky or Solstice except their sales were too low to support an expensive bespoke platform. Miata has global volume to make it work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 12 hours ago, akirby said: Nothing wrong with Sky or Solstice except their sales were too low to support an expensive bespoke platform. Miata has global volume to make it work. Kappa platform with a reworked Sky or Solstice and relabeled as a Buick Cascada would have been a better option vs what Cascada is now.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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