bradleyheathhays Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 My '11 Crown Vic has got 315k miles on it and I'm having some kind of tracking problem that I think is coming from the steering. If there's not much wind it drives straight down the road just fine up to about 60 mph. But if the winds up some, or if I take it up to 70, it's tracking characteristics start to get weird and unsettling. Rain seems to cause it to get worse as well. The feeling is not dissimilar to hydroplaning. I got the wheels off the ground and pushed/pulled on all the tires..3 and 9 o'clock, 6 and 12. Back wheels were solid, and the fronts were ok when I did the 6 and 12, but on the 3 and 9 test the tires moved about 1/4". They didn't move easily say as if they were completely loose, but it didn't take all that much effort to get them rocking either. At each limit of movement there's a low grade thud that's coming from somewhere between the two wheels, pretty close to the center of the car I'd say. I don't know if the movement I'm seeing is normal, but the degree the steering seems to be unpredictable would seem to correlate to about the degree of movement I'm seeing with the 3 and 9 test. Any ideas on where I go from here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordtech1 Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 You should not be able to move the wheels by hand up/down or left to right. Naturally the wheels will turn left and right and the steering wheel will turn with it. Any play indicates a bad suspension component. Chances are you have worn out ball joints and/or tie rods. If it were mine. I would plan on doing upper control arms and lower ball joints. Check tie rods and sway bar links. Those cars are inexpto rebuild the front end. Then get an alignment afterwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradleyheathhays Posted August 5, 2019 Author Share Posted August 5, 2019 Thanks for all the advice. I'm not sure what the word 'inexpto' is though...next to last sentence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordtech1 Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 8 minutes ago, bradleyheathhays said: Thanks for all the advice. I'm not sure what the word 'inexpto' is though...next to last sentence. My phone does some crazy auto correct. That’s supposed to be inexpensive. They are fairly inexpensive to rebuild the front end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradleyheathhays Posted August 13, 2019 Author Share Posted August 13, 2019 Sorry it took so long to get back. I just got the car back from a front end inspection and they're saying my biggest problem is that both lower ball joints need to be replaced. I've done work similar to this before (using a pickle fork to separate joints and using a rented ball joint press) but they were advising it might be too tough of a job to do by myself in my driveway. I have a 1000lb impact wrench but only a really small compressor. What do you guys think about attempting this job myself? Any advice? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradleyheathhays Posted August 15, 2019 Author Share Posted August 15, 2019 (edited) Well I've decided I'm gonna give it a shot at doing this myself. 'Couple' questions... - I know the lower BJ presses out, but does the top one press out as well? - Does the sway bar link have to come off for better access? - Anything else I should change out while I'm in there? So far I'm gonna be doing both upper and lower BJs and probably the tie rod ends. - I've been told to use green loc tite. That would be used on the threads on the bottom of the BJs? - Also been told to watch out for the spring shooting out at me but I believe I have a shock in spring, a strut? Is there any danger of this spring suddenly popping out after tension is eased? I don't plan on removing the spring at all. - The Moog BJ I'm considering at Rockauto doesn't appear to have a grease boot. Am I looking at this picture wrong? Is that black part a boot that will expand when it's filled up? Edited August 15, 2019 by bradleyheathhays Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 From personal experience I will strongly advise you to not use Moog suspension parts. My experience with them is they wear out waaaaay too quickly. Motorcraft or bust, especially with something like ball joints and tie rod ends. If you pull the sway bar links off and the ends move around pretty freely, go ahead and replace them too. You might as well regardless while you’re under there, it can't hurt. And as for loc-tite I personally never use them on suspension parts (with exception to inner tie rods because there's usually not a lot of thread to work with) just because they're exposed to so much road debris and salt if you live in the snow belt they’re going to seize anyway. I recommend being very liberal with an anti-seize compound before reinstalling any bolts. If you have any nylon lock nuts, replace those with new ones (grade 8 ) and, I cannot stress this enough, always make sure you torque every bolt to manufacturer spec and you should be fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradleyheathhays Posted August 21, 2019 Author Share Posted August 21, 2019 (edited) Thanks for the info fuzzy. Does anyone know if the top ball joint presses out as well? The only video I've seen shows an older model vic and there are just 2 large adjustable like bolts that secure the top ball joint. Edited August 21, 2019 by bradleyheathhays Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradleyheathhays Posted August 27, 2019 Author Share Posted August 27, 2019 Do I have a stamped steel or forged top A-arm? I believe it's stamped but I'm not entirely sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 (edited) Thats a stamped steel upper control arm. In the included video, it shows what a forged upper A-arm looks like, very different from yours. Edited August 27, 2019 by twintornados Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradleyheathhays Posted August 27, 2019 Author Share Posted August 27, 2019 Gotcha. Thanks twin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradleyheathhays Posted August 29, 2019 Author Share Posted August 29, 2019 Considering the mileage I've decided to change out everything I can. Ordering 2 new top A-arm assemblies, 2 lower ball joints, 4 lower A-arm bushings, 2 new strut assemblies w/ springs, and 2 sway bar links. This only leaves the tie rod ends which there is a chance are not original. This car was part of a fleet that got regular maintenance so since I didn't see any movement at the outer tie rod ends when I was doing the 3 & 9 push test I'm thinking they may have already been replaced. I'll put in everything I've ordered and see how the steering is after that. Do you always do both inner and outer tie rod ends at the same time or is it common just to do the outer, or just the inner? Found a decent set of ebay shock and spring, strut? assemblies for $150 but it's specified as fitting the interceptor model whereas mine is just the base model. Would they still work ok? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 20 hours ago, bradleyheathhays said: Found a decent set of ebay shock and spring, strut? assemblies for $150 but it's specified as fitting the interceptor model whereas mine is just the base model. Would they still work ok? Looking at Rock Auto, there are different versions for Base and LX vs Taxi and PI models. You may want to check out Rock Auto since their price each for a "quick strut" assembly is about the same as what you are seeing on eBay.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradleyheathhays Posted September 14, 2019 Author Share Posted September 14, 2019 Found a fairly comprehensive front end kit for a great deal...like $137 for all of this... 2006-11 Ford Lincoln Mercury Steering & Suspension Kit 12 Piece Set - 1ASFK05040 https://www.1aauto.com/2006-11-ford-lincoln-mercury-steering-and-suspension-kit-12-piece-set/i/1asfk05040 I'd rather go with something more dependable like Moog at least on the lower ball joints. What do you think? Should I go with this kit and save? She's got 320k on her now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 (edited) Doesn't matter what "we" think...at the end of the day, what does your wallet think? How much $$$ are you willing to put into an 8+ year old vehicle with well over 300K miles on it. If your goal is to drive it for a few more years, spend the extra and enjoy. If you are going to sell it, spend accordingly. Edited September 14, 2019 by twintornados Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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