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2020 Ram EcoDiesel sneak peek

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4 minutes ago, twintornados said:

yawn....

You mean you didn't find the sound of a stationary, relatively quiet, V6 diesel revving to 3k RPM to be stimulating?

Yeah, me neither.

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Putting the “cry” back into Chrysler 

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For 2020 FCA's Ecodiesel has 260 HP and 480 lb ft 

 

All of this makes me wonder what sized diesel / power and torque would be ideal for a 1500 / F150 truck..
Are OEMs going a little light on capacity and max tow capacity to go chase highest EPA economy numbers?
and is that because they don't want gasoline sales disrupted or are they just not thinking that far  into it?

Would a 3.3-3.6 liter diesel be a better fit?

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On 8/16/2019 at 4:43 AM, jpd80 said:

For 2020 FCA's Ecodiesel has 260 HP and 480 lb ft 

 

All of this makes me wonder what sized diesel / power and torque would be ideal for a 1500 / F150 truck..
Are OEMs going a little light on capacity and max tow capacity to go chase highest EPA economy numbers?
and is that because they don't want gasoline sales disrupted or are they just not thinking that far  into it?

Would a 3.3-3.6 liter diesel be a better fit?

Those are virtually the same numbers as the 7.3 had stock in Super Duty. With 4 speed automatics. 

Remember GM twins have the only clean sheet diesel here. They moved their bar towards efficiency. FCA and Ford would rather tow more but they are using existing engines that happen to fit between the frame rails and meet NVH requirements. 

If they were just chasing MPG numbers they would be smaller and less capable most likely. 

These things are to satisfy the "gotta have a diesel" option, nothing more. There is no real reason to buy one.

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In contrast to diesel, the embrace of 2.7 Ecoboost has been quite stunning but not surprising,
any engine that makes 400 lb ft in a truck s going to draw serious interest.

 

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I really like the new Ram trucks and I'm all for diesels. The Ram has been a top contender for my next truck along with the F150

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Pass. They still can't build a truck that didn't have squeaky doors after 6 months.

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On 8/21/2019 at 4:08 PM, madlionm said:

I really like the new Ram trucks and I'm all for diesels. The Ram has been a top contender for my next truck...

 

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I think a Hybrid F150 might change the perceptions of a few diesel buyers...

if a 5.0 V8 F150 hybrid can get 26/26 mpg  it might pull a lot of V8 buyers back

into the show room......and make other V8 hybrid offerings look quite ordinary.

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https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a28918699/2020-ram-1500-rebel-ecodiesel-by-the-numbers/

 

Those are some pretty poor MPG numbers for a Diesel and given the EcoDiesel is quite unreliable and takes expensive fuel one has to ask WHY?

 

No Guts, No Glory, Ram. 

Built to Serve the Mechanic.

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5 hours ago, itguy09 said:

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a28918699/2020-ram-1500-rebel-ecodiesel-by-the-numbers/

 

Those are some pretty poor MPG numbers for a Diesel and given the EcoDiesel is quite unreliable and takes expensive fuel one has to ask WHY?

 

No Guts, No Glory, Ram. 

Built to Serve the Mechanic.

The devil is in the detail, the test was run at 75 mph, not 70 mph and I believe that the AWD was also engaged.

Those two factors combined could well account for near on 4 mpg difference.

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3 hours ago, jpd80 said:

The devil is in the detail, the test was run at 75 mph, not 70 mph and I believe that the AWD was also engaged.

Those two factors combined could well account for near on 4 mpg difference.

A gas Rebel would have a 3.92 axle ratio, does this diesel have the same? That would affect it also.

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13 hours ago, MY93SHO said:

A gas Rebel would have a 3.92 axle ratio, does this diesel have the same? That would affect it also.

You may be right but it's probably a combination of heavy weight, 4x4 engaged, and decent tow rating/RA ratio.

If Ram was chasing fuel economy/less tow capacity, they could probably run with taller gearing like 3.4:1 or higher.

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24mpg at 75mph?   Psshh, I bet @akirby can manage 30mpg in his 3.5EB at 75mph.  

 

All kidding aside, I’m sure the 2.7EB could come close to 24mpg at a 75mph cruise, provide similar capabilities (towing, etc), and is likely more cost effective to maintain.  

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On 9/7/2019 at 11:35 AM, 02MustangGT said:

24mpg at 75mph?   Psshh, I bet @akirby can manage 30mpg in his 3.5EB at 75mph.  

 

All kidding aside, I’m sure the 2.7EB could come close to 24mpg at a 75mph cruise, provide similar capabilities (towing, etc), and is likely more cost effective to maintain.  

heck the Ranger couldn't even get that on that TFL drive from LA to Colorado, maybe it was the big FX-4 wheels...

 

Just thinking, the 3.0 Powerstroke is the single turbo version,

Jaguar had a twin turbo versionthat made close to 300 hp and over 500 lb ft..

not sure if that on high grade Euro diesel or not....

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I had a 15' ecodiesel since new. It was great until the engine blew at 103,000 miles. They have an inherent flaw with the bearings. It's not if it's gonna blow, it's when. Too bad because I was averaging 27 MPG in a 4wd crew cab with 6' 4" bed.

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