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3 hours ago, silvrsvt said:

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One thing of note-I don't see the second gen Ligthning that people where assuming that was going to BOC?

I also don't see anything filling the Edge/Nautilus mid-sized 2-row crossover space in the years following their going out of production after MY2023. I thought there was supposed to be a new BEV moving into that space. Maybe there's nothing there because it hasn't been formally announced/confirmed yet?

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24 minutes ago, Gurgeh said:

I also don't see anything filling the Edge/Nautilus mid-sized 2-row crossover space in the years following their going out of production after MY2023. I thought there was supposed to be a new BEV moving into that space. Maybe there's nothing there because it hasn't been formally announced/confirmed yet?

 

That is the Explorer and Lincoln BEVs

The Mach E indirectly replaced the Edge. 

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27 minutes ago, silvrsvt said:

 

That is the Explorer and Lincoln BEVs

The Mach E indirectly replaced the Edge. 

Then logically, shouldn't there be a Lincoln counterpart (as a Nautilus replacement) to the Mach E when the second generation of it comes out for MY2026? Still trying to figure out what I'll be moving to when it's time to replace my 2019 Nautilus. I can't do BEV right now but probably could within a couple of years. I guess I could go Mach E if the Ford product is the only option -- though I do like my current Lincoln-only dealer.

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36 minutes ago, Gurgeh said:

Then logically, shouldn't there be a Lincoln counterpart (as a Nautilus replacement) to the Mach E when the second generation of it comes out for MY2026? Still trying to figure out what I'll be moving to when it's time to replace my 2019 Nautilus. I can't do BEV right now but probably could within a couple of years. I guess I could go Mach E if the Ford product is the only option -- though I do like my current Lincoln-only dealer.

 

Spreadsheet shows Aviator EV and Navigator ICE as only Lincoln products after 2025, but spreadsheet is probably not 100% accurate or complete. 

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3 hours ago, silvrsvt said:

 

That is the Explorer and Lincoln BEVs

The Mach E indirectly replaced the Edge. 

 

He raised a good point... there is no Lincoln version of GE2 Mach E planned. Neither is Corsair listed but Escape EV is.

 

Doesn't mean those program doesn't exisit... but curious omissions. 

 

And good old CD6 Explorer is going to stick around until end of 2035? Good lord... who will be buying such ancient relic by that time?

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26 minutes ago, bzcat said:

 

He raised a good point... there is no Lincoln version of GE2 Mach E planned. Neither is Corsair listed but Escape EV is.

 

Doesn't mean those program doesn't exisit... but curious omissions. 

 

And good old CD6 Explorer is going to stick around until end of 2035? Good lord... who will be buying such ancient relic by that time?

...and after 2025, that is all Chicago will be building?

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28 minutes ago, Gurgeh said:

...and after 2025, that is all Chicago will be building?

 

Seems to be the case. Although Ford is known to be holding back new model decisions until UAW contract is in place. The report is based on RFP and supplier intel... meaning what Ford and other OEMs is telling their tier 1 suppliers in contract bids and purchase order commitments. 

 

I mentioned in another thread that seems to me that Ford is signaling that it wants to clse Chicago by starving it of any new products. Reminds me of how Twin Cities and St Thomas went down. The CD6 Explorer is the new Ranger or Panther... orphaned product on bespoke platform not connected to other mainstream products that are getting new investments.

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Just read somewhere else that Ford is launching Mustang Mach E in APAC markets in 2023. The spec for APAC is based on Europe NCAP and CCS Type 2 plug and Taiwan and New Zealand are the first two markets. Curious omission for Australia... doesn't make any sense the biggest Ford market in the region is not getting the model but #2 and #3 markets are launching. Must be some issue with Ford Australia specifically. 

 

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2 hours ago, silvrsvt said:

The latest WAG rumor is the new EU BEV might be called the Explorer Sport, but I seriously doubt that and I’m guessing they are conflating the Ford MEB with the GE2 Explorer that will launch in 2024

 

Yes, I think there's confusion with the 'Explorer Sport' name which is likely going to be the GE2 Explorer variant. I do wonder if Ford EU has plans to resurrect the 'Capri' name? A few years ago, the Ford of Europe chief of design, Amko Leeenarts, expressed his desires to resurrect the Capri including its familiar design. Probably won't happen though. There is a recent photo of the new MEB BEV where a blanket cover was moved just a bit to show its basic front design. Nothing 'capri' about it. But I also doubt it will be called Explorer Sport especially in Europe only on the VW MEB.

https://www.carscoops.com/2019/11/ford-capri-to-make-a-return-who-would-not-want-that-says-design-chief/

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13 hours ago, silvrsvt said:

The latest WAG rumor is the new EU BEV might be called the Explorer Sport, but I seriously doubt that and I’m guessing they are conflating the Ford MEB with the GE2 Explorer that will launch in 2024

 

I can't see Ford using that name on a model that will only be sold in Europe.

 

If they are going for heritage names, there is a long list they can try that will fit the market better. Capri, Cortina, Escort, Taunus, Sierra, Granada, Scorpio... all much better and relevant than Explorer Sport. 

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Bingo! They'll upset a lot of (European) Capri owners if that's what they call the new "sporty EV". Capri, much like Mustang, had a reputation as a bad-ass car, known for its RWD tail swinging antics. Mind you, the last Euro Capri was made in 1987, but it still has a strong following.

 

They did similar with the Puma. That was originally a cool sporty coupe.......albeit Fiesta based, which is what the Puma is, although a 5 door SUV, not a cool 3 door coupe.

 

Capri was obviously used in NA on the Fox platform, and in Australia as a Mazda 323 based 2 seat convertible, but neither of these were available in the Capri's "home" market.

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6 hours ago, silvrsvt said:

The Capri name has been tied to a sporty small BEV crossover in rumors, but all I see that doing is alienating fans of the car, which is more or less a European take on the Mustang. 
 

Maybe they are slotting it as a smaller MME? 

 

Perhaps the 'Mustang Mach-E Sport'?

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4 hours ago, Twin Turbo said:

Bingo! They'll upset a lot of (European) Capri owners if that's what they call the new "sporty EV". Capri, much like Mustang, had a reputation as a bad-ass car, known for its RWD tail swinging antics. Mind you, the last Euro Capri was made in 1987, but it still has a strong following.

 

They did similar with the Puma. That was originally a cool sporty coupe.......albeit Fiesta based, which is what the Puma is, although a 5 door SUV, not a cool 3 door coupe.

 

Capri was obviously used in NA on the Fox platform, and in Australia as a Mazda 323 based 2 seat convertible, but neither of these were available in the Capri's "home" market.

 

The Puma is now Ford Europe's best selling passenger car...so it seems to work. 

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On 12/3/2022 at 1:23 PM, fuzzymoomoo said:


As long as Bronco is around, MAP will run at or close to capacity for years to come with or without a super cab Ranger 

 

On 12/12/2022 at 3:28 PM, Gurgeh said:

Then logically, shouldn't there be a Lincoln counterpart (as a Nautilus replacement) to the Mach E when the second generation of it comes out for MY2026? Still trying to figure out what I'll be moving to when it's time to replace my 2019 Nautilus. I can't do BEV right now but probably could within a couple of years. I guess I could go Mach E if the Ford product is the only option -- though I do like my current Lincoln-only dealer.

Remember, FOMOCO wanted to build these two midsized EVs in the same plant as Mach e. These so called explorer and aviator EVs. Ohio to Mexico now supposedly Oakville. They said these two EVs are supposed to be roughly the size of edge and nautilus. Been over two years up here at OAC and it’s been nothing but speculation since this corporation constantly changes plans. Why can’t ford just come out and officially announce wtf there plans are. Auto forecast solutions knows more than we do for fuck sakes. 

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