silvrsvt Posted December 12, 2022 Author Share Posted December 12, 2022 One thing of note-I don't see the second gen Ligthning that people where assuming that was going to BOC? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurgeh Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 3 hours ago, silvrsvt said: One thing of note-I don't see the second gen Ligthning that people where assuming that was going to BOC? I also don't see anything filling the Edge/Nautilus mid-sized 2-row crossover space in the years following their going out of production after MY2023. I thought there was supposed to be a new BEV moving into that space. Maybe there's nothing there because it hasn't been formally announced/confirmed yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted December 12, 2022 Author Share Posted December 12, 2022 24 minutes ago, Gurgeh said: I also don't see anything filling the Edge/Nautilus mid-sized 2-row crossover space in the years following their going out of production after MY2023. I thought there was supposed to be a new BEV moving into that space. Maybe there's nothing there because it hasn't been formally announced/confirmed yet? That is the Explorer and Lincoln BEVs The Mach E indirectly replaced the Edge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurgeh Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 27 minutes ago, silvrsvt said: That is the Explorer and Lincoln BEVs The Mach E indirectly replaced the Edge. Then logically, shouldn't there be a Lincoln counterpart (as a Nautilus replacement) to the Mach E when the second generation of it comes out for MY2026? Still trying to figure out what I'll be moving to when it's time to replace my 2019 Nautilus. I can't do BEV right now but probably could within a couple of years. I guess I could go Mach E if the Ford product is the only option -- though I do like my current Lincoln-only dealer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehaase Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 36 minutes ago, Gurgeh said: Then logically, shouldn't there be a Lincoln counterpart (as a Nautilus replacement) to the Mach E when the second generation of it comes out for MY2026? Still trying to figure out what I'll be moving to when it's time to replace my 2019 Nautilus. I can't do BEV right now but probably could within a couple of years. I guess I could go Mach E if the Ford product is the only option -- though I do like my current Lincoln-only dealer. Spreadsheet shows Aviator EV and Navigator ICE as only Lincoln products after 2025, but spreadsheet is probably not 100% accurate or complete. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadManMoon Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 5 hours ago, silvrsvt said: One thing of note-I don't see the second gen Ligthning that people where assuming that was going to BOC? It's there, last row on the first page (Page 2 of 13) - P800 Ford F-Series Lightning at Blue Oval City, starting 8/18/2025. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, silvrsvt said: That is the Explorer and Lincoln BEVs The Mach E indirectly replaced the Edge. He raised a good point... there is no Lincoln version of GE2 Mach E planned. Neither is Corsair listed but Escape EV is. Doesn't mean those program doesn't exisit... but curious omissions. And good old CD6 Explorer is going to stick around until end of 2035? Good lord... who will be buying such ancient relic by that time? Edited December 12, 2022 by bzcat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurgeh Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 26 minutes ago, bzcat said: He raised a good point... there is no Lincoln version of GE2 Mach E planned. Neither is Corsair listed but Escape EV is. Doesn't mean those program doesn't exisit... but curious omissions. And good old CD6 Explorer is going to stick around until end of 2035? Good lord... who will be buying such ancient relic by that time? ...and after 2025, that is all Chicago will be building? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 28 minutes ago, Gurgeh said: ...and after 2025, that is all Chicago will be building? Seems to be the case. Although Ford is known to be holding back new model decisions until UAW contract is in place. The report is based on RFP and supplier intel... meaning what Ford and other OEMs is telling their tier 1 suppliers in contract bids and purchase order commitments. I mentioned in another thread that seems to me that Ford is signaling that it wants to clse Chicago by starving it of any new products. Reminds me of how Twin Cities and St Thomas went down. The CD6 Explorer is the new Ranger or Panther... orphaned product on bespoke platform not connected to other mainstream products that are getting new investments. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehaase Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 19 hours ago, bzcat said: And good old CD6 Explorer is going to stick around until end of 2035? Good lord... who will be buying such ancient relic by that time? Law enforcement and old fashioned people, just as with the last ten years of the Panthers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ausrutherford Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 On 12/12/2022 at 11:54 AM, silvrsvt said: One thing of note-I don't see the second gen Ligthning that people where assuming that was going to BOC? The next generation Ranger starts production in May?! Why haven't we seen the NA-spec then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 33 minutes ago, ausrutherford said: The next generation Ranger starts production in May?! Why haven't we seen the NA-spec then? No reason to rush it when the ROW specs are already out there. Don’t expect a drastic difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted December 14, 2022 Author Share Posted December 14, 2022 12 hours ago, ausrutherford said: The next generation Ranger starts production in May?! Why haven't we seen the NA-spec then? Just posted the first spy shots yesterday. Just some minor changes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ausrutherford Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 On 12/13/2022 at 7:07 PM, fuzzymoomoo said: No reason to rush it when the ROW specs are already out there. Don’t expect a drastic difference. Was not expecting major changes, but I would have expected the debut by now. It's less than 6 months away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
passis Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 https://fordauthority.com/2022/12/upcoming-european-ford-ev-design-previewed-in-new-images/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeluxeStang Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 (edited) 9 hours ago, passis said: https://fordauthority.com/2022/12/upcoming-european-ford-ev-design-previewed-in-new-images/ Has promise, pretty sharp looking. It could be the production design for this clay model spied awhile back. Edited December 16, 2022 by DeluxeStang 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 (edited) Just read somewhere else that Ford is launching Mustang Mach E in APAC markets in 2023. The spec for APAC is based on Europe NCAP and CCS Type 2 plug and Taiwan and New Zealand are the first two markets. Curious omission for Australia... doesn't make any sense the biggest Ford market in the region is not getting the model but #2 and #3 markets are launching. Must be some issue with Ford Australia specifically. Edited January 3, 2023 by bzcat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted January 3, 2023 Author Share Posted January 3, 2023 The latest WAG rumor is the new EU BEV might be called the Explorer Sport, but I seriously doubt that and I’m guessing they are conflating the Ford MEB with the GE2 Explorer that will launch in 2024 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pffan1990 Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 2 hours ago, silvrsvt said: The latest WAG rumor is the new EU BEV might be called the Explorer Sport, but I seriously doubt that and I’m guessing they are conflating the Ford MEB with the GE2 Explorer that will launch in 2024 Yes, I think there's confusion with the 'Explorer Sport' name which is likely going to be the GE2 Explorer variant. I do wonder if Ford EU has plans to resurrect the 'Capri' name? A few years ago, the Ford of Europe chief of design, Amko Leeenarts, expressed his desires to resurrect the Capri including its familiar design. Probably won't happen though. There is a recent photo of the new MEB BEV where a blanket cover was moved just a bit to show its basic front design. Nothing 'capri' about it. But I also doubt it will be called Explorer Sport especially in Europe only on the VW MEB. https://www.carscoops.com/2019/11/ford-capri-to-make-a-return-who-would-not-want-that-says-design-chief/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 13 hours ago, silvrsvt said: The latest WAG rumor is the new EU BEV might be called the Explorer Sport, but I seriously doubt that and I’m guessing they are conflating the Ford MEB with the GE2 Explorer that will launch in 2024 I can't see Ford using that name on a model that will only be sold in Europe. If they are going for heritage names, there is a long list they can try that will fit the market better. Capri, Cortina, Escort, Taunus, Sierra, Granada, Scorpio... all much better and relevant than Explorer Sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted January 4, 2023 Author Share Posted January 4, 2023 The Capri name has been tied to a sporty small BEV crossover in rumors, but all I see that doing is alienating fans of the car, which is more or less a European take on the Mustang. Maybe they are slotting it as a smaller MME? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twin Turbo Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 Bingo! They'll upset a lot of (European) Capri owners if that's what they call the new "sporty EV". Capri, much like Mustang, had a reputation as a bad-ass car, known for its RWD tail swinging antics. Mind you, the last Euro Capri was made in 1987, but it still has a strong following. They did similar with the Puma. That was originally a cool sporty coupe.......albeit Fiesta based, which is what the Puma is, although a 5 door SUV, not a cool 3 door coupe. Capri was obviously used in NA on the Fox platform, and in Australia as a Mazda 323 based 2 seat convertible, but neither of these were available in the Capri's "home" market. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pffan1990 Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 6 hours ago, silvrsvt said: The Capri name has been tied to a sporty small BEV crossover in rumors, but all I see that doing is alienating fans of the car, which is more or less a European take on the Mustang. Maybe they are slotting it as a smaller MME? Perhaps the 'Mustang Mach-E Sport'? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ausrutherford Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 4 hours ago, Twin Turbo said: Bingo! They'll upset a lot of (European) Capri owners if that's what they call the new "sporty EV". Capri, much like Mustang, had a reputation as a bad-ass car, known for its RWD tail swinging antics. Mind you, the last Euro Capri was made in 1987, but it still has a strong following. They did similar with the Puma. That was originally a cool sporty coupe.......albeit Fiesta based, which is what the Puma is, although a 5 door SUV, not a cool 3 door coupe. Capri was obviously used in NA on the Fox platform, and in Australia as a Mazda 323 based 2 seat convertible, but neither of these were available in the Capri's "home" market. The Puma is now Ford Europe's best selling passenger car...so it seems to work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oac98 Posted January 5, 2023 Share Posted January 5, 2023 On 12/3/2022 at 1:23 PM, fuzzymoomoo said: As long as Bronco is around, MAP will run at or close to capacity for years to come with or without a super cab Ranger On 12/12/2022 at 3:28 PM, Gurgeh said: Then logically, shouldn't there be a Lincoln counterpart (as a Nautilus replacement) to the Mach E when the second generation of it comes out for MY2026? Still trying to figure out what I'll be moving to when it's time to replace my 2019 Nautilus. I can't do BEV right now but probably could within a couple of years. I guess I could go Mach E if the Ford product is the only option -- though I do like my current Lincoln-only dealer. Remember, FOMOCO wanted to build these two midsized EVs in the same plant as Mach e. These so called explorer and aviator EVs. Ohio to Mexico now supposedly Oakville. They said these two EVs are supposed to be roughly the size of edge and nautilus. Been over two years up here at OAC and it’s been nothing but speculation since this corporation constantly changes plans. Why can’t ford just come out and officially announce wtf there plans are. Auto forecast solutions knows more than we do for fuck sakes. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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