rmc523 Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 New 2024 US Explorer spy shots: Looks like a revised front and rear clip, with a new center stack and larger horizontal screen. https://fordauthority.com/2023/02/2024-ford-explorer-interior-spotted-for-first-time/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted March 1, 2023 Author Share Posted March 1, 2023 1 hour ago, Diksha Duggal said: Did I miss the reference to the Edge/Nautilus redesign? Chinese market only at this time. The Mach E or Bronco is rough replacements for the Edge in North America 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 2 hours ago, silvrsvt said: Chinese market only at this time. The Mach E or Bronco is rough replacements for the Edge in North America There have been some claims (BORG at GMI) that Nautilus IS coming here again, but he's not always right, and that decision seems to have flip flopped a few times already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted March 1, 2023 Author Share Posted March 1, 2023 28 minutes ago, rmc523 said: There have been some claims (BORG at GMI) that Nautilus IS coming here again, but he's not always right, and that decision seems to have flip flopped a few times already. Yeah I agree about that-it all boils down to the timing of BEV products. A Lincoln based off the Mach E would be a decent replacement if they don't bring in the Chinese market one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 33 minutes ago, rmc523 said: There have been some claims (BORG at GMI) that Nautilus IS coming here again, but he's not always right, and that decision seems to have flip flopped a few times already. The last inside info I heard a few months ago was that Ford themselves had not yet decided whether to import it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 2 hours ago, silvrsvt said: Yeah I agree about that-it all boils down to the timing of BEV products. A Lincoln based off the Mach E would be a decent replacement if they don't bring in the Chinese market one. Well, that was the weird thing too - he was saying we'd get both - Nautilus and a Mach E based model. 2 hours ago, akirby said: The last inside info I heard a few months ago was that Ford themselves had not yet decided whether to import it. Yeah, this was from a week or two ago....but who knows when his source info is from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 46 minutes ago, rmc523 said: Well, that was the weird thing too - he was saying we'd get both - Nautilus and a Mach E based model. Why wouldn’t we get both? One is ICE and one is BEV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 1 hour ago, akirby said: Why wouldn’t we get both? One is ICE and one is BEV. I fully agree with you, that in the short term they should get both - but at the moment, Lincoln is on track to have just 3 vehicles (Corsair, Aviator, Navigator), with the immediate future of any other models in question - he says both of those would be sourced from China, and that it's gone back and forth. So I'd consider it lucky to get one let alone both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted March 1, 2023 Share Posted March 1, 2023 5 hours ago, akirby said: The last inside info I heard a few months ago was that Ford themselves had not yet decided whether to import it. I have to believe if a decision was made there would be more rumors floating around by now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 4 hours ago, akirby said: Why wouldn’t we get both? One is ICE and one is BEV. 25% tariff probably makes the whole thing moot Ford probably did plan to import it when it made the decision to only build it in China. But the business case probably doesn't make sense if the Trump tariff doesn't get repealed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted March 2, 2023 Author Share Posted March 2, 2023 If anything, the new BEVs getting launched in the EU would temper Mach E sales to a point and Ford is trying to build out Mach E battery production, so I'd say a Lincoln Mach E from Mexico is far more likely than a Chinese built Lincoln. Unless they put it into LAP, but ICE Escape production is supposed to go bye bye in 2028? Not sure making an additional ICE Lincoln for maybe 4-5 years would be right action either. I guess we will have better idea in about 6 months when the UAW contract is nailed down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 10 hours ago, silvrsvt said: If anything, the new BEVs getting launched in the EU would temper Mach E sales to a point and Ford is trying to build out Mach E battery production, so I'd say a Lincoln Mach E from Mexico is far more likely than a Chinese built Lincoln. Unless they put it into LAP, but ICE Escape production is supposed to go bye bye in 2028? Not sure making an additional ICE Lincoln for maybe 4-5 years would be right action either. I guess we will have better idea in about 6 months when the UAW contract is nailed down. To me it makes sense to build Nautilus and Corsair together at LAP until both go away or volume drops too low. Same platform, same drivetrains. Or just make Corsair a bit larger. It’s pretty close now with the exception of cargo space but it was too small for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted March 2, 2023 Author Share Posted March 2, 2023 5 hours ago, akirby said: To me it makes sense to build Nautilus and Corsair together at LAP until both go away or volume drops too low. Same platform, same drivetrains. Or just make Corsair a bit larger. It’s pretty close now with the exception of cargo space but it was too small for us. The Corsair just got a refresh, so I don't see that happening and with the timing of ICE wind down for the Escape platform... I'm gonna guess the Chinese Nautilus is going to be same size as the new Chinese Edge (almost the same as the current Explorer)...though the dimensions I saw was for the Edge L...so I guess it will be a smaller model? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted March 2, 2023 Share Posted March 2, 2023 18 hours ago, silvrsvt said: If anything, the new BEVs getting launched in the EU would temper Mach E sales to a point and Ford is trying to build out Mach E battery production, so I'd say a Lincoln Mach E from Mexico is far more likely than a Chinese built Lincoln. Unless they put it into LAP, but ICE Escape production is supposed to go bye bye in 2028? Not sure making an additional ICE Lincoln for maybe 4-5 years would be right action either. I guess we will have better idea in about 6 months when the UAW contract is nailed down. His rumor had us getting this new Nautilus by the end of this year. The problem is, if you don't bring in (or scramble to find a local production source) a model at least on a short term basis, you're leaving a big time gap where Lincoln is without its best selling product, and down to 3 models. 2 hours ago, silvrsvt said: The Corsair just got a refresh, so I don't see that happening and with the timing of ICE wind down for the Escape platform... I'm gonna guess the Chinese Nautilus is going to be same size as the new Chinese Edge (almost the same as the current Explorer)...though the dimensions I saw was for the Edge L...so I guess it will be a smaller model? Yeah, I think it's bigger than ours, but definitely smaller than that Edge L. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted July 28, 2023 Share Posted July 28, 2023 (edited) Ford China is launching a new Transit in China. Looks like it is the Mk4 RoW model but revised with different front end and interior. Ford didn't introduce the Mk4 in China when it came out in 2014, and instead went with Transit Custom. It is now being introduced in China - Perhaps the new look will eventually make it to Europe and North America? edit: The interior is from the current Chinese Transit Custom, which is currently sold as Transit (no Custom suffix) but Ford is also being renamed as Tourneo in China to focus on passenger van market so looks like Transit will be Transit again in China. https://www.autohome.com.cn/news/202307/1286894.html#pvareaid=102624 Edited July 28, 2023 by bzcat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harley Lover Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 On 7/28/2023 at 5:20 PM, bzcat said: Perhaps the new look will eventually make it to Europe and North America? https://www.autohome.com.cn/news/202307/1286894.html#pvareaid=102624 That revised front end styling would be a welcome improvement over the current model, plus bring it closer in appearance to the F150. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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