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2 hours ago, akirby said:

We heard 2023 and employees weren’t happy it was going to take so long.

TBH if that is true you can include me in that group. It flies directly in the face of everything Jim Hackett has been saying about shortening development time. It's already been in development for at least a year and a half, probably close to 2 by now. 

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10 hours ago, fuzzymoomoo said:

TBH if that is true you can include me in that group. It flies directly in the face of everything Jim Hackett has been saying about shortening development time. It's already been in development for at least a year and a half, probably close to 2 by now. 

 

Maybe it shows up sooner, but they don’t have unlimited resources.  Sometimes you have to delay some projects to get others done sooner.

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3 hours ago, akirby said:

 

Maybe it shows up sooner, but they don’t have unlimited resources.  Sometimes you have to delay some projects to get others done sooner.

I'm wondering if they want 2023MY so that in that one year they have 2-row mid-sized crossovers coming out with 1) boosted ICE, 2) performance-oriented PHEV, and 3) BEV.

 

But you are probably right. Most likely management of scarce product-development resources. Even so, 2022MY or an early-release 2023 wouldn't surprise me.

Edited by Gurgeh

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On 8/30/2019 at 11:50 AM, passis said:

Does anyone know a bit more about Ford's "emerging markets" products, such as NG Ka/Figo/Aspire (Project B680-S) and crossovers (many codes I came across: BX563, BX744,  BX745, BX755, BX775...)?

 

Also, does anyone know if/how the platform used by Yusheng S330 / Territory is related to a proper Ford platform? It seems, from what I found, that JMC vans are based on the Transit platform and Yusheng S350 is related to the Everest (Ranger). Is that so? Has the Territory anything to do with T6?

 

 

 

Ka/Figo/Aspire is going to use a value-engineered Fiesta platform so I don't think there is any significant drama there. It's now South America only project I believe as Europe has dropped out preferring to focus on Fiesta only for the car side and EcoSport and Puma on the CUV side. Open question on whether Ford China will join the program. India will go with Mahindra based replacement.

 

The crossover is a bit of mystery. I think the current South America designed EcoSport is likely to be split into at least 2 different models - one in India which will be replaced by a Manhindra based CUV, and one in South America/Europe, probably based on the value-engineered B architecture that will also underpin the Ka/Figo. The reason for the split is obvious... market demands for India (4 meters length and no demand for safety equipment) is vastly different than elsewhere. Don't forget also that Zyote Ford is also coming out with a whole bunch of cheap cars/CUVs based on Zyote platform, similar to the arrangement with Manhindra. Some of these may even find its way overseas.

 

Yusheng S330/Territory is *probably* based on the CD2 Escape. There is no definitive proof but there was report around 2014 that Ford shipped the CD2 Escape tooling from Ford Taiwan to China after production ended in Taiwan. Most people expected that means we will see cheap rebadged Escape under the JMC brand but it never happened. Instead, we had Yusheng S330 that came out about 18 months after Ford Taiwan switched to making Kuga. Jiangling is also using this platform to make its one CUV for its Landwind brand (the infamous Range Rover Evoque rip off) so it probably had some involvement in the development. Future version of this car will likely use C2 platform.

 

JMC Yuhu pickup truck and Yusheng S350 SUV are *probably* based on the previous gen Ranger (the one before T6). Again, there is no proof but Yuhu and Yusheng S350 (which is BOF SUV based on Yuhu platform) are similar in size to the previous gen Ranger and Everest. The big clue is timing... previous gen Ranger/Everest ended production in Thailand in 2011 - Yuhu and Yusheng S350 came out in 2012. And if you want to read into the fact that Yuhu, S350, and T6 Everest are all build on the same assembly line by Jingling Ford, you can probably guess they have a fairly high degree of commonality. Future version of these two vehicles will likely use T6 platform.

 

JMC Teshun is rebadged Mk3 Transit which Jiangling Ford finally stopped selling in 2017. I think as long as the drivetrain meet emission standards in China, it will be in production. In theory, Ford can cascade down Mk4 Transit (still sold as "New" Transit in China) to Teshun but that will leave Ford brand without a large van in China. The Mk5 FWD Transit and Toureno Custom are available in China but it is obviously smaller than the RWD Mk4.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited by bzcat

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BTW, I just noticed Ford took Yusheng S330 off the Yusheng website in China... so I guess Territory is replacing S350 for good.

 

So maybe S350 is not long for this world either. The Maverick name is available... 😄

 

This website used to have both S330 and S350: http://suv.jmc.com.cn/

 

Now there is no S330 but only link to Territory on the JMC website: http://territory.jmc.com.cn/

 

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1 hour ago, bzcat said:

 

Ka/Figo/Aspire is going to use a value-engineered Fiesta platform so I don't think there is any significant drama there. It's now South America only project I believe as Europe has dropped out preferring to focus on Fiesta only for the car side and EcoSport and Puma on the CUV side. Open question on whether Ford China will join the program. India will go with Mahindra based replacement.

 

The crossover is a bit of mystery. I think the current South America designed EcoSport is likely to be split into at least 2 different models - one in India which will be replaced by a Manhindra based CUV, and one in South America/Europe, probably based on the value-engineered B architecture that will also underpin the Ka/Figo. The reason for the split is obvious... market demands for India (4 meters length and no demand for safety equipment) is vastly different than elsewhere. Don't forget also that Zyote Ford is also coming out with a whole bunch of cheap cars/CUVs based on Zyote platform, similar to the arrangement with Manhindra. Some of these may even find its way overseas.

 

Yusheng S330/Territory is *probably* based on the CD2 Escape. There is no definitive proof but there was report around 2014 that Ford shipped the CD2 Escape tooling from Ford Taiwan to China after production ended in Taiwan. Most people expected that means we will see cheap rebadged Escape under the JMC brand but it never happened. Instead, we had Yusheng S330 that came out about 18 months after Ford Taiwan switched to making Kuga. Jiangling is also using this platform to make its one CUV for its Landwind brand (the infamous Range Rover Evoque rip off) so it probably had some involvement in the development. Future version of this car will likely use C2 platform.

 

JMC Yuhu pickup truck and Yusheng S350 SUV are *probably* based on the previous gen Ranger (the one before T6). Again, there is no proof but Yuhu and Yusheng S350 (which is BOF SUV based on Yuhu platform) are similar in size to the previous gen Ranger and Everest. The big clue is timing... previous gen Ranger/Everest ended production in Thailand in 2011 - Yuhu and Yusheng S350 came out in 2012. And if you want to read into the fact that Yuhu, S350, and T6 Everest are all build on the same assembly line by Jingling Ford, you can probably guess they have a fairly high degree of commonality. Future version of these two vehicles will likely use T6 platform.

 

JMC Teshun is rebadged Mk3 Transit which Jiangling Ford finally stopped selling in 2017. I think as long as the drivetrain meet emission standards in China, it will be in production. In theory, Ford can cascade down Mk4 Transit (still sold as "New" Transit in China) to Teshun but that will leave Ford brand without a large van in China. The Mk5 FWD Transit and Toureno Custom are available in China but it is obviously smaller than the RWD Mk4.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I was hoping Ford would replace the Ka/Fiesta for an Argentinian Escort, built on the existing C1-tooled plant in Pacheco. Most competitors are growing in size in South America... but I guess the B platform is finally admitting longer wheelbase.

 

And thanks a lot for sharing all these interesting pieces of  information about the Chinese models! It's really hard to find certain things about them

 

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On 9/11/2019 at 1:50 AM, probowler said:

2022: Fullsize Bronco

Pleeese Ford? ❤️

 

You do realize that the new Ranger based Bronco will be virtually the same size as a 1995 Full sized Bronco?

 

1995 Bronco Stats:

Length 183.6 in

Height 74.4 in.

Wheel Base 104.7 in.

Width 79.1 in.

 

2019 Ranger

Overall length 210 

Overall height 71.1

Wheelbase 126.8 

Width excluding mirrors 73.3  

 

The Bronco will be less then 200 inches long more like around the 190 mark for a 4 door. 

 

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16 hours ago, silvrsvt said:

 

You do realize that the new Ranger based Bronco will be virtually the same size as a 1995 Full sized Bronco?

 

1995 Bronco Stats:

Length 183.6 in

Height 74.4 in.

Wheel Base 104.7 in.

Width 79.1 in.

 

2019 Ranger

Overall length 210 

Overall height 71.1

Wheelbase 126.8 

Width excluding mirrors 73.3  

 

The Bronco will be less then 200 inches long more like around the 190 mark for a 4 door. 

 


Well shit... I knew the ranger was a big boy but I didn't realize it got THAT big 😲

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23 minutes ago, probowler said:


Well shit... I knew the ranger was a big boy but I didn't realize it got THAT big 😲

 

Most cars have gotten pretty damn big...look at a 1990s Civic-its the same size as a Honda Fit or smaller!

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