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Ford Mustang Mach E World Premiere Nov 17 9PM EST

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1 hour ago, silvrsvt said:

 

But in January of the same year-they where saying this:

https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/ford/2017/01/03/here-details-fords-electric-vehicle-plan/96109758/

 

An all-new fully electric small SUV, coming by 2020, engineered to deliver an estimated range of at least 300 miles, to be built at the Flat Rock plant and sold in North America, Europe and Asia.-Mustang Mach E

An autonomous vehicle designed for commercial ride hailing or ride sharing, starting in North America. The hybrid vehicle will debut in 2021 and will be built at the Flat Rock plant.-Who knows

A hybrid version of the F-150 pickup available by 2020, sold in North America and the Middle East and built at Ford’s Dearborn Truck Plant.

A hybrid version of the iconic Mustang will be built at the Flat Rock Plant. It will debut in 2020 and will be available in North America to start.

A Transit Custom plug-in hybrid van available in 2019 in Europe.

Two new, pursuit-rated hybrid police vehicles. One of the two new hybrid police vehicles will be built in Chicago-new Explorer

 

1 hour ago, jpd80 said:

Yes and by December of that year, it all changed again.

The Autonomous Transits were transferred to hermosillo and Mach E to Cuautitlan

and after that, the two mid sized BEvs were announced for Flat Rock...

and now rumors that Ford thought about closing Flat Rock before approving NG Mustang.

I think there's real issues with upgrading FRAP for new products like the BEVs and wouldn't

be surprised if another announcement comes out next year...

 

See my previous post. They did a complete 180 on everything planned for Flat Rock. Did a 180 on that earlier this year only to flip again to the point of wanting to close the plant when the new UAW contract was being negotiated. Thank god for whatever workforce is left there for the union but I still think that plant is on borrowed time. 

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22 minutes ago, fuzzymoomoo said:

 

It was Mark Fields that initially announced it would be built in Flat Rock. Since then Hackett and co. have been hell bent on undoing everything Fields did (or in some cases didn't do). 

Context.

I know that, he was quoting Re Field's January '17 announcement, and wondering where it was going if not FRAP.

My link was December 2017 changes by Hackett that confirmed it moving to Mexico.

 

i think there's been a conflating / confusion by some of Mach E going to Mexico and mid sized BEVs going to FRAP  that may or may not be happening now.....good old Ford changing plans again??

 

I wonder if Fields screwed up cancelling San Louis Potosi,  giving Ford less freedom to shuffle products.

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1 hour ago, jpd80 said:

I wonder if Fields screwed up cancelling San Louis Potosi,  giving Ford less freedom to shuffle products.

 

I doubt it with this new high ATP at lower volume for the sake of profit margin approach they’re taking. We now have both Mexico plants, Louisville, FRAP and Oakville that all have room to add shift(s).

 

Edit: I guess you could add MAP to that list too but being a BOF plant severely limits options for us, plus it's TBD what kind of volume Bronco (and NG Ranger) can deliver. 

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https://jalopnik.com/watch-our-first-ride-along-in-the-2021-ford-mustang-mac-1839929071

 

jalopnik has a video of the inside while driving at night on a test course. I found it interesting that the fast mode was called “Stampede” in the pre production software but the ford rep made sure to point out that it would be called “unbridled” in the final version. Wtf is ford thinking? Stampede was the perfect name. Unbridled just sounds awkward. Hopefully they change it back.


here’s a disappointing quote from the article:

 

“While I will say that getting a ride in a prototype is fun in itself, I didn’t find the Mach-E’s driving characteristics particularly exciting. The car didn’t feel that quick during the hard launch, nor did it feel like it handled the slalom with sports-car precision. It felt soft, I thought.”

 

you also can hear the fake noise that the car produces.

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27 minutes ago, T-dubz said:

https://jalopnik.com/watch-our-first-ride-along-in-the-2021-ford-mustang-mac-1839929071

 

jalopnik has a video of the inside while driving at night on a test course. I found it interesting that the fast mode was called “Stampede” in the pre production software but the ford rep made sure to point out that it would be called “unbridled” in the final version. Wtf is ford thinking? Stampede was the perfect name. Unbridled just sounds awkward. Hopefully they change it back.


here’s a disappointing quote from the article:

 

“While I will say that getting a ride in a prototype is fun in itself, I didn’t find the Mach-E’s driving characteristics particularly exciting. The car didn’t feel that quick during the hard launch, nor did it feel like it handled the slalom with sports-car precision. It felt soft, I thought.”

 

you also can hear the fake noise that the car produces.

 

From the comments:

Perhaps they’re saving the Stampede driving mode for Cars and Coffee exits only...

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I ran thru the numbers tonight on lectric cmax mach....she wont drive unless fully charged..its not safe...so its plugged in every dam night till it reads full...about 125+ additional clams for lectric cost compared to about 50clams cost in gas per month...what is needed is double the range in the cheapest plastic box mach they sell now ..she knows range on gasser and wants same...so until somebody can figure out how to pack more juice in the battery its not economically feasible for me to even consider the dam thing....gassers here for long time to come in my garage..

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Mach E has AC drive motors, if I recall correctly, Tesla saved money with the 3 by giving it a hybrid design DC drive motor.

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47 minutes ago, jpd80 said:

Mach E has AC drive motors, if I recall correctly, Tesla saved money with the 3 by giving it a hybrid design DC drive motor.

You may wish to research why if in fact tesla uses dc motors...dc biggest advantage is they are far more efficient than ac...the only reason power company uses ac transmission is there is virtually no line loss (advantage long distance transmission/cheaper to produce) from power plant to your door...power company could care less what you do with that power inside your house...you pay for it..dc really has far greater advantages in power application....dc series motors are used on trains...why not use what is proven....id be asking why ford went with ac motors if thats the case...probably because of price point and where they imported them from...hope like hell they are not using aluminum windings...

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Up until Tesla 3, all previous Teslas  exclusively used AC induction motors,

the front motor on the 3 is still AC but the rear is brushless DC hybrid.

 

On reflection, a Brushless DC is not really a DC motor, it has to be supplied

with something resembling three-phase power at an appropriate frequency.

It's really closer to being an AC motor than a pure DC motor.

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33 minutes ago, jpd80 said:

Up until Tesla 3, all previous Teslas  exclusively used AC induction motors,

the front motor on the 3 is still AC but the rear is brushless DC hybrid.

 

On reflection, a Brushless DC is not really a DC motor, it has to be supplied

with something resembling three-phase power at an appropriate frequency.

It's really closer to being an AC motor than a pure DC motor.

Thanks...makes sense they would be using that type of motor

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11 minutes ago, snooter said:

dc series motors are used on trains

 

Not so much anymore. DC locomotives require an alternator to convert the AC power coming from the generator to DC power the traction motors use. The first AC powered locomotives came out in 1993 (the EMD SD70MAC and GE AC4400CW respectively) and were immediately adopted (especially the GE units) by all of the class 1 railroads in North America, the notable exception being Norfolk Southern who shunned AC powered locomotives completely until they inherited some from the Conrail split. They have since purchased over 150 of the new SD70ACe units from EMD and 166 GE ES44AC units, as well as continuing to purchase new DC units. 

 

Today the majority of new locomotives purchased or leased are AC powered due to the ease of maintenance (no  alternator to deal with) and more efficient power delivery to the traction motors. 

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