Twin Turbo Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 I know Ford were developing a 4.8 version of the Coyote for the F150, but as I understand it, it was dropped as they hit their MPG/emissions targets with the Gen 3 Coyote/10-speed auto. So, is this back on again? http://fordauthority.com/2019/08/2021-ford-f-150-4-8l-v8-engine-know/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 Could be a smaller version of 7.3L "Godzilla" V8.... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Rosadini Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 3 hours ago, twintornados said: Could be a smaller version of 7.3L "Godzilla" V8.... troublemaker!? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 Not long ago, Ford announced that it was winding back V8 production as the V6 Ecoboost engines are now so popular. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 (edited) Could this simply be a misread of upgrades to F150 Coyote that align it more closely with the Mustang version? things like PFDI and higher compression are essential for increasing torque and precise mixture control under load and fine tuning those elements to work under sustained load could be the key to the V8 making a come back.. Edited August 25, 2019 by jpd80 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blksn8k2 Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 The 2018/19 Coyote in the F-150 certainly makes impressive power but there are times when the damn thing sounds more like a freaking diesel. Usually when cold but not always. Not very confidence inspiring and not very impressive to anyone within hearing distance which is about thirty feet. How any manufacturer can call something like that "acceptable" or "normal" in this day and age is beyond belief. https://www.f150forum.com/f118/2018-5-0l-engine-rattle-noise-deceleration-acceleration-tsb-18-2354-a-432813/index138/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 13 hours ago, jpd80 said: ....could be the key to the V8 making a come back.. Don't count on that..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 58 minutes ago, twintornados said: Don't count on that..... When i say come back, I didn't mean that literally, just simply to stabilize numbers where they are now. Ecoboost tend to be thirstier than the 5.0 v8 when towing, especially when asked to hustle along at 70 mph. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoldwizard Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 Why would they "shrink" the 5.0L ? Making the 5.0L engine block with the same bore spacing as the old 4.6L, was a strategic MARKETING move ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordtech1 Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 9 minutes ago, jpd80 said: When i say come back, I didn't mean that literally, just simply to stabilize numbers where they are now. Ecoboost tend to be thirstier than the 5.0 v8 when towing, especially when asked to hustle along at 70 mph. But the ecoboost has no problem keeping 70mph. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, theoldwizard said: Why would they "shrink" the 5.0L ? Making the 5.0L engine block with the same bore spacing as the old 4.6L, was a strategic MARKETING move ! They still need the 5.0 litre V8 at that size for people who like to tow with more efficiency than EB V6s, that little bit of extra capacity makes a difference with mixture strength when towing. It's strange but more engine capacity makes for efficient towing but acts directly against cruise efficiency and good EPA numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, fordtech1 said: But the ecoboost has no problem keeping 70mph. That wasn't the point i was making.... F150, towing 7,000 lb trailer @ 70 mph 2.7 EB...8.7 mpg 3.5 EB...9.1 mpg 5.0 V8.....10.1 mpg F250 6.2 V8 ...12,500 lbs....8.6 mpg.... I have to believe that the 6.2 V8 engine would be much better on gas when towing 9,000 lbs and 7,000 lbs Edited August 26, 2019 by jpd80 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordtech1 Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, jpd80 said: That wasn't the point i was making.... Point I was making is more power means more fuel. However, yes, it’s been said 5.0 is more fuel efficient when towing. My experience towing the same trailer between my 3.5 and a co workers 5.0. It was a dead heat on the Fuel economy. That said, it wasn’t a scientific calculated test. He used the trailer, which is an enclosed car trailer, then I used it. Our fuel consumption was extremely similar. But I can see when pulling hills for long periods could separate the two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, fordtech1 said: Point I was making is more power means more fuel. However, yes, it’s been said 5.0 is more fuel efficient when towing. My experience towing the same trailer between my 3.5 and a co workers 5.0. It was a dead heat on the Fuel economy. That said, it wasn’t a scientific calculated test. He used the trailer, which is an enclosed car trailer, then I used it. Our fuel consumption was extremely similar. But I can see when pulling hills for long periods could separate the two. How much load though? The best you can hope for is the same, anytime you press deeper into the throttle with an EB, it goes rich, the lighter the load, the less that happens. Think about it, it's the diametric opposite to what a Super Duty needs to maintain efficiency when loaded. As with everything in life, there's always a compromise. On topic, I just can't see a reason for Ford fiddling with engine capacity in F150, it just doesn't make sense unless they really believe there decent mpg gains..... Edited August 26, 2019 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trailhiker Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 I'm wondering if this will be the engine used for a hybrid v8. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 7 minutes ago, Trailhiker said: I'm wondering if this will be the engine used for a hybrid v8. That would make the most sense-but the real question is will it be shared with the Mustang if they went that route? The 10 Speed Auto Hybrid looks to be geared towards more performance then eco savings though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HotRunrGuy Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 IMO, Ford should just prove to the marketplace how committed it is to the small-displacement/EB business model, and eliminate ALL V-8's from the F-150 & Mustang product lines. Then, when the stock price drops down into the $4's or $5's, I can buy a bunch and be well positioned for when they regain their senses, and offer customers a wider range of powertrain offerings. HRG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 1 minute ago, HotRunrGuy said: IMO, Ford should just prove to the marketplace how committed it is to the small-displacement/EB business model, and eliminate ALL V-8's from the F-150 & Mustang product lines. But yet the market is showing that better then 60% of F-150 sales are Ecoboost and Mustang Ecoboost are at 50% vs 2 V8 offerings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MY93SHO Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 1 hour ago, HotRunrGuy said: and offer customers a wider range of powertrain offerings. HRG Wider range? They already offer an as wide or wider than the competition. And there's a hybrid and all electric in the near future. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HotRunrGuy Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 Wider range? They already offer an as wide or wider than the competition. And there's a hybrid and all electric in the near future. Sorry, I'm not explaining myself very well. There are a number of people who feel that EB's are the best available option, I'm not one of them. I have (2) Fords in the garage, a '18 Escape SEL AWD, and a '19 Edge SEL AWD, BOTH had no choice but an EB powertrain. I'm a gambler, so my point above was, let's offer Mustangs and F-150's with ONLY EB's, and see what the sales numbers become. Just trying to interject that choice is good, but unfortunately, certain products have very limited powertrain choices. HRG 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twin Turbo Posted August 26, 2019 Author Share Posted August 26, 2019 Leftlanenews reporting on the Ford Authority report! https://leftlanenews.com/ford/ford-f-150-to-ditch-5-0-v8-for-next-generation/ Personally, if Ford deviate from the 5.0 capacity, I'd rather they upped it to the 5.2!! (a normally aspirated version of the cross plane crank is already available as a crate engine called the Aluminator XS) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonj80 Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 4 hours ago, jpd80 said: it just doesn't make sense unless they really believe there decent mpg gains..... What people think is decent vs what CAFE does are two totally different things. 2-3 MPG could be nothing to buyers but in CAFE 2-3 MPG could be being compliant or a tens of million dollar fine/credit purchase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 6 hours ago, theoldwizard said: Why would they "shrink" the 5.0L ? Making the 5.0L engine block with the same bore spacing as the old 4.6L, was a strategic MARKETING move ! A marketing move for Mustang... Most F-150 buyers were fine with 4.6... if anything, the nostalgia is for the 351 more than 5.0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30 OTT 6 Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 9 hours ago, theoldwizard said: Why would they "shrink" the 5.0L ? Making the 5.0L engine block with the same bore spacing as the old 4.6L, was a strategic MARKETING move ! I thought keeping the bore spacing the same was a cost cutting move... to reuse the tooling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, jasonj80 said: What people think is decent vs what CAFE does are two totally different things. 2-3 MPG could be nothing to buyers but in CAFE 2-3 MPG could be being compliant or a tens of million dollar fine/credit purchase. The 5.0 V8 is still well above the individual CAFE limit for F150's "footprint", there's no urgent need to change anything. Edited August 26, 2019 by jpd80 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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