akirby Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 http://www.campaign.ford.com/content/fordmedia/fna/us/en/news/2019/08/28/all-new-ford-explorer-limited-hybrid-range.html RWD is competitive but AWD is 2-3 mpg short of the competition. But I bet it has a LOT better performance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theoldwizard Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 Big hit on fuel economy for AWD ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harley Lover Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 Ford should be comparing to a 2020 Highlander Hybrid, not a 2019. Still a good number for the Explorer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted August 29, 2019 Author Share Posted August 29, 2019 1 minute ago, Harley Lover said: Ford should be comparing to a 2020 Highlander Hybrid, not a 2019. Still a good number for the Explorer. That was me using fueleconomy.gov, not Ford. Some of the 2020 models weren't there so I just went with 2019 to be safe. I assumed it was the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harley Lover Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 Just now, akirby said: That was me using fueleconomy.gov, not Ford. Some of the 2020 models weren't there so I just went with 2019 to be safe. I assumed it was the same. I'm not sure the 2020 HH has been published yet, but it will be a step up in its figures - I've read guesstimates of 34 mpg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 Using the Explorer MPGs numbers as a rough estimate for a Bronco Hybrid-I'd save $400 a year or so on gas...maybe more. Not bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted August 29, 2019 Author Share Posted August 29, 2019 Tow ratings - MDX (0), Highlander 3500. Explorer 5000. RWD and a standard drivetrain makes a big difference. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 34 minutes ago, theoldwizard said: Big hit on fuel economy for AWD ! Explorer Hybrid does not use an additional electric motor to provide AWD capability like Toyota and Honda. Instead, it uses a traditional AWD/4WD setup with a direct mechanical link between the IC engine and the front wheels. That reduces fuel efficiency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 1 hour ago, silvrsvt said: Using the Explorer MPGs numbers as a rough estimate for a Bronco Hybrid-I'd save $400 a year or so on gas...maybe more. Not bad. That's the one I have my eye on too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 1 hour ago, rperez817 said: Explorer Hybrid does not use an additional electric motor to provide AWD capability like Toyota and Honda. Instead, it uses a traditional AWD/4WD setup with a direct mechanical link between the IC engine and the front wheels. That reduces fuel efficiency. Apples to Apples; the AWD Explorer only gives up one MPG city/highway to the RWD Explorer, both with the 2.3L Ecoboost. However, 3.3L AWD vs 3.3L Hybrid AWD is a huge improvement- 16/23 vs 23/26. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papilgee4evaeva Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 Explorer is also considerably bigger than Highlander and MDX, so there's that too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 (edited) 13 minutes ago, papilgee4evaeva said: Explorer is also considerably bigger than Highlander and MDX, so there's that too. 2020 Explorer 199″ L x 79″ W x 70″ H 4,727 lbs 2019 Highlander 193″ L x 76″ W x 68″ H 4,508 lbs 2019 MDX 196″ L x 78″ W x 67″ H 4,350 lbs 2019 Ford Edge 189″ L x 76″ W x 68″ H 4,477 lbs 2020 Escape: 181″ L x 74″ W x 66″ H 3,706 lbs HEV 3,884 lbs. PHEV (FWD only) Seems like the Highlander/MDX are tweeners or larger midsized CUVs and the Edge needs to add a few inches next gen. Curb weights are the heaviest models available. Edited August 29, 2019 by silvrsvt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HotRunrGuy Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 4 minutes ago, silvrsvt said: Seems like the Highlander/MDX are tweeners or larger midsized CUVs and the Edge needs to add a few inches next gen. Highlander and MDX are 3-row vehicles, the Edge is not. HRG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted August 29, 2019 Author Share Posted August 29, 2019 18 minutes ago, silvrsvt said: 2020 Explorer 199″ L x 79″ W x 70″ H 4,727 lbs 2019 Highlander 193″ L x 76″ W x 68″ H 4,508 lbs 2019 MDX 196″ L x 78″ W x 67″ H 4,350 lbs I thought it was bigger but was too lazy to look up those specs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 13 minutes ago, HotRunrGuy said: Highlander and MDX are 3-row vehicles, the Edge is not. HRG * In North America Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 2 minutes ago, akirby said: I thought it was bigger but was too lazy to look up those specs. Its roughly the same length as the last Gen Explorer-the Taurus was the longest Unibody product Ford made till they killed it off at 202 inches long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonj80 Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 38 minutes ago, silvrsvt said: * In North America Speaking of that Edge, The facelift for China has a huge center stack screen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 Also to note: According to the build and price, the Limited starts at $49,220, checking the hybrid box brings it to $53,370, a $4,150 difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted August 29, 2019 Author Share Posted August 29, 2019 I would expect to get around 23-25 mpg with the 2.3LEB based on what we get with our current vehicles. $4K to get 3-4 more mpg and losing the ecoboost off the line torque (unless the electric motor makes up for it) just doesn't appeal much to me. I was hoping for more like 35 mpg but I guess that's not realistic on these size vehicles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HotRunrGuy Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 49 minutes ago, silvrsvt said: * In North America I already drove 400 miles roundtrip to get the one I have, I ain't having 1 shipped-in from China. Hahaha, HRG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 6 hours ago, akirby said: Tow ratings - MDX (0), Highlander 3500. Explorer 5000. RWD and a standard drivetrain makes a big difference. Definitely. The P2 hybrid architecture with RWD used in Explorer is better suited to high continuous power operation such as towing, compared to the power-split architecture from Toyota and the 2 motor dual clutch setup from Honda. Ford did a nice job hitting multiple targets with 2020 Explorer Hybrid. Good fuel economy, good power, good tow ratings, good hybrid system packaging. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 20 minutes ago, rperez817 said: Ford did a nice job hitting multiple targets with 2020 Explorer Hybrid. Good fuel economy, good power, good tow ratings, good hybrid system packaging. I agree. To get the towing numbers they did, something was going to have to be sacrificed and that was efficiency, though they somehow still were able to give it crazy good range for a vehicle of its size. Looking at all factors they were able to come up with a very good middle ground. Props to the engineering team on that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trader 10 Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 The 2.3 is a much better value and the 4WD models have almost the same mileage. I’d take the 2.3 over the coarse 3.3 even if they were priced the same. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, fuzzymoomoo said: I agree. To get the towing numbers they did, something was going to have to be sacrificed and that was efficiency, though they somehow still were able to give it crazy good range for a vehicle of its size. Looking at all factors they were able to come up with a very good middle ground. Props to the engineering team on that. I wonder if they could do an "Eco" package where it was tuned to ultra fuel economy only. Obviously they aren't doing that, but I'd wonder what the numbers could be. Edited August 29, 2019 by rmc523 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 2 minutes ago, rmc523 said: I wonder if they could do an "Eco" package where it was tuned to ultra fuel economy only. Obviously they aren't doing that, but I'd wonder what the numbers could be. I suppose they could on future model years if there is a demand for it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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