akirby Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 1 minute ago, jpd80 said: Don’t BEVs have a common charging plug? Nope 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 16 minutes ago, akirby said: Nope Sure but all public level 2 chargers have J1772 plug and there'an a adapter to use Tesla's charging stations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 If you need an adapter then they're not all the same, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 5 minutes ago, akirby said: If you need an adapter then they're not all the same, right? Yes but the thrust of my question was accessibility to charging stations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 I just had a Tesla Semi truck orders flashback, and Faraday, and etc etc etc ... ...why on earth are there so many smoke and mirrors with BEV manufacturers?....Ill believe it when they actually start producing them and actually see them on the road..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 17 minutes ago, jpd80 said: Yes but the thrust of my question was accessibility to charging stations. Sorry - I take things literally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, akirby said: Sorry - I take things literally. and I should have used an open question. Edited September 20, 2019 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 1 hour ago, jpd80 said: Don’t BEVs have a common charging plug? Teslas Supercharger Level 3 is unique and will only work at Level 3 charging on a Tesla designed plug. There are other Level 3 direct DC charging stations but their plugs wont fit a Tesla. Level 1 and Level 2 charging is another story, but to be competitive in the quick charging market that direct DC offers, Tesla has more infrastructure out there and it is NOT compatible with other Level 3 charge plugs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Deanh said: I just had a Tesla Semi truck orders flashback, and Faraday, and etc etc etc ... ...why on earth are there so many smoke and mirrors with BEV manufacturers?....Ill believe it when they actually start producing them and actually see them on the road..... It and AVs is kind of the automotive gold rush... I think they need something like MIT's liquid metal battery to make it more viable, something that cheaper to make, common materials and very fast charging. Edited September 20, 2019 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 47 minutes ago, jpd80 said: Sure but all public level 2 chargers have J1772 plug and there'an a adapter to use Tesla's charging stations. Sure, but the key is the Level 3 charging which will overcome the biggest part of owning an electric...long charging times Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 (edited) While Tesla's level 3 chargers are out of reach at the moment, Ford and other manufacturers are committed to developing common fast charging DC, so it's only a matter of time until more manufacturers start using Tesla's fast charging The fast charging set up is based around 400 V DC so again, adapter plugs may be needed, the one snag I see is, Quote All major DC charger manufacturers offer multi-standard units that offer the ability to charge via CCS or CHAdeMO from the same unit. The Tesla Supercharger can only service Tesla vehicles, however Tesla vehicles are capable of using other chargers, specifically CHAdeMO for DC fast charging, via an adapter. . manufacturers need to settle on one system or a system that can switch between them. Edited September 20, 2019 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarneyFord Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 https://thedriven.io/2019/06/11/tesla-upgrades-superchargers-for-model-3-but-will-it-share-with-other-evs/ Changes in the works it looks like for Tesla chargers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 14 hours ago, barney9014 said: https://thedriven.io/2019/06/11/tesla-upgrades-superchargers-for-model-3-but-will-it-share-with-other-evs/ Changes in the works it looks like for Tesla chargers. Well, kinda, sorta... Quote Tesla has started upgrading Superchargers with dual cables in readiness for the Model 3, which is due to start deliveries to Australian customers in August. The upgrade for the Tesla Superchargers involves the addition of a CCS2 cable to each charger, so that both Model S and X – which use the proprietary Tesla DC charging plug – and the Model 3 – which will come standard with a CCS2 in line with other modern EV models, will be able to use Tesla’s DC Superchargers. ...and then there is this.... Quote An interesting point to note is that while it has been reported that the Tesla CCS plug features a notch that disallows other EVs from being able to plug into Superchargers, the upgraded Australian dual cable Superchargers do not have this notch. ..and finally, this... Quote Now, this does not mean that owners of other EV models with CCS2 plugs will be able to use Superchargers – other EV makers notoriously knocked back an offer long ago from Tesla to share chargers and plugs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe771476 Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 (edited) The Grumman LLV (Long Life Vehicle) mail truck, built on an 80's Chevy S10 chassis, while finally reaching the end of its tour of duty, has been good for the USPS. Except for recent fires and a few other things, it's bulletproof. They start right up every morning. The aluminum bodies are all like brand-new! The front and rear bumpers absorb minor hits, it turns on a dime with a turning radius that allows a U-turn on a narrow 2-lane road. ALL access to it, whether driver or mail is by sliding door so the door does not stick out. These features are VERY important. Plus the driver must be on the RIGHT side to place mail in roadside mailboxes. I don't see a Transit fulfilling the job. And like the article says, air conditioning and anti-lock brakes would be a plus, but except for driving TO and FROM their RURAL routes, these trucks are not driven that fast, not much more than 35 to 45 MPH. In fact the City routes never go much faster than 25 MPH. If the next generation of mail trucks does not have all the above features, it's quite frankly useless! Edited September 22, 2019 by Joe771476 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novanglus Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 On 9/20/2019 at 3:59 PM, twintornados said: Sure, but the key is the Level 3 charging which will overcome the biggest part of owning an electric...long charging times Long charging times are only an issue for apartment dwellers without access to an outlet. The rest of us just charge over night in our garages. Might only need high-speed a few times a year on long trips. People who don’t own EVs have a idea in their head about how it is, and it is often the opposite. It’s actually less hassle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HotRunrGuy Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 34 minutes ago, novanglus said: Long charging times are only an issue for apartment dwellers without access to an outlet. The rest of us just charge over night in our garages. Might only need high-speed a few times a year on long trips. People who don’t own EVs have a idea in their head about how it is, and it is often the opposite. It’s actually less hassle. Maybe for you, I don't see it working for me, today. I average 40-45K miles/year, usually have at least one 500+ mile day a week, and don't see an overabundance of charging stations at hotels that I stay at weekly. HRG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MY93SHO Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 2 hours ago, HotRunrGuy said: Maybe for you, I don't see it working for me, today. I average 40-45K miles/year, usually have at least one 500+ mile day a week, and don't see an overabundance of charging stations at hotels that I stay at weekly. HRG May not work for you but others can get it done. 100k miles in 2 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullynd Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 On 9/20/2019 at 2:11 PM, jpd80 said: Sure but all public level 2 chargers have J1772 plug and there'an a adapter to use Tesla's charging stations. Not all quick chargers are CCS, some are CHAdeMO. Some chargers offer both plugs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullynd Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 On 9/20/2019 at 4:01 PM, barney9014 said: https://thedriven.io/2019/06/11/tesla-upgrades-superchargers-for-model-3-but-will-it-share-with-other-evs/ Changes in the works it looks like for Tesla chargers. This has nothing to do with the US. Similar to how some countries require APPLE to ship with a micro-USB adapter, some countries are requiring EVs to use CCS. Model3 in the US use the same plug as the S/X. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MY93SHO Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 2 hours ago, sullynd said: This has nothing to do with the US. Similar to how some countries require APPLE to ship with a micro-USB adapter, some countries are requiring EVs to use CCS. Model3 in the US use the same plug as the S/X. Same plug but the Model 3 can charge at a higher rate than the S and X in the US. Don't know about overseas. https://www.motortrend.com/news/teslas-v3-supercharger-tested/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 3 hours ago, sullynd said: Not all quick chargers are CCS, some are CHAdeMO. Some chargers offer both plugs. I'm thinking CCS will become more popular, it's already the standard in Europe and it looks like maybe manufacturers may revisit the arrangement with Tesla that they knocked back a few years ago. There's still a lot of ifs and buts in this, people need to be able to charge without dozens of adapter leads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullynd Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 4 minutes ago, jpd80 said: I'm thinking CCS will become more popular, it's already the standard in Europe and it looks like maybe manufacturers may revisit the arrangement with Tesla that they knocked back a few years ago. There's still a lot of ifs and buts in this, people need to be able to charge without dozens of adapter leads. Tesla in the US doesn’t, and likely never will, use CCS. Its more likely we’ll continue to see chargers with both CCS and CHAdeMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 (edited) 20 minutes ago, sullynd said: Tesla in the US doesn’t, and likely never will, use CCS. Its more likely we’ll continue to see chargers with both CCS and CHAdeMO. Tesla is fascinating, in the US it has its own chargers and with an adapter, owners can charge through CHAdeMO but in Europe/ROW, it now has a dual cable to allow access to CCS. So obviously, there's more to this behind the scenes. I can see charging ending up like current gasoline /diesel /e85 fuel pumps depending on what type of connection... Europe and ROW will probably lock in CCS, Japan CHAdeMO, Nth America both of those and China something else. Edited September 22, 2019 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msm859 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 12 hours ago, HotRunrGuy said: Maybe for you, I don't see it working for me, today. I average 40-45K miles/year, usually have at least one 500+ mile day a week, and don't see an overabundance of charging stations at hotels that I stay at weekly. HRG I suspect in California it would be no problem. Tesla superchargers dot the state and a lot of hotels in fact have chargers for Ev's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 (edited) Until there is one "standard" for level I, II, and III charging, EV sales will be on the fringe of sales. To put it in perspective, I have a Lincoln, I don't have to worry about finding a gas station that has an unleaded fuel dispenser that will exclusively fit my MKC, they all work. Edited September 23, 2019 by twintornados Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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