HotRunrGuy Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 A buddy sent me this picture, anybody know the back-story behind it? Thanks, HRG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Probably overloaded it with the camper and trailer. If that's a rust belt truck exacerbated by excessive corrosion that went unchecked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artenglert Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 From the photo, it looks like either a relatively new truck or it's been well cared for. I see it's a dually, but I can make out if it's a 350 or 450. For that size slide in, it's typically recommended that the minimum be a dually, 1-ton truck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Looking at the front wheel, bolt count is ten, so that would make it an F450. Whew, thats a lot of weight to break its back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 That's an F450, and this is actually the second truck he has broken in the same place. The first was an F350. The guy is a tool salesman and runs with his trailer heavily loaded (I think it's Canada). The trailer tongue is way behind the hitch on the truck, so the hitch must be reinforced. That's a LOOOOT of leverage on the frame of that truck. Seriously overloaded. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordtech1 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 This is the crap that concerns me with all this 37000 lb towing capacity. Sure it can pull it but can it stop and steer safely. That takes a lot of force to break that frame. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HotRunrGuy Posted September 30, 2019 Author Share Posted September 30, 2019 23 minutes ago, fordtech1 said: This is the crap that concerns me with all this 37000 lb towing capacity. Sure it can pull it but can it stop and steer safely. That takes a lot of force to break that frame. So, how does a manufacturer protect itself from this scenario? Is this a "leverage" problem, with far too much tongue weight, too many inches (feet) behind the rear axle? Does the gross (rear) axle weight rating keep this from happening? HRG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 (edited) He definitely needs to stop screw-balling around and step into a medium duty F650 gasser... Edited September 30, 2019 by twintornados 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 11 minutes ago, HotRunrGuy said: So, how does a manufacturer protect itself from this scenario? Is this a "leverage" problem, with far too much tongue weight, too many inches (feet) behind the rear axle? Does the gross (rear) axle weight rating keep this from happening? I don't think there is any doubt he exceeded the mfr limits on payload and/or tongue weight and/or trailer weight. Nothing the mfr can do about that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordtech1 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 1 hour ago, akirby said: I don't think there is any doubt he exceeded the mfr limits on payload and/or tongue weight and/or trailer weight. Nothing the mfr can do about that. No doubt. However, I bet a jury would still side with him against the big bad corporate monster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordtech1 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 I am curious to the age, mileage and tongue weight. I wonder how many cycles of this configuration it took to break this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YT90SC Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 This pic has been discussed quite a bit on several Ford tech pages. This is the 2nd truck the customer has broken like this. Previous was an F350. You can't see it from this pic, but the tongue on the trailer is VERY long to clear the slide in camper. Pure abuse, not defect. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordtech1 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 58 minutes ago, YT90SC said: This pic has been discussed quite a bit on several Ford tech pages. This is the 2nd truck the customer has broken like this. Previous was an F350. You can't see it from this pic, but the tongue on the trailer is VERY long to clear the slide in camper. Pure abuse, not defect. I see what you mean. The tongue would have to be super long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 2 hours ago, fordtech1 said: No doubt. However, I bet a jury would still side with him against the big bad corporate monster. After seeing a jury rule against Ford when a drunk driver swerved off the road not wearing seatbelts, rolled the explorer and was ejected and killed along with several buddies I wouldn’t doubt it. His family claimed that had Ford used laminated safety glass he wouldn’t have been ejected. I think (hope) it was overturned on appeal but the sheer stupidity and lack of personal responsibility in these juries is scary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordtech1 Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 (edited) 21 minutes ago, akirby said: After seeing a jury rule against Ford when a drunk driver swerved off the road not wearing seatbelts, rolled the explorer and was ejected and killed along with several buddies I wouldn’t doubt it. His family claimed that had Ford used laminated safety glass he wouldn’t have been ejected. I think (hope) it was overturned on appeal but the sheer stupidity and lack of personal responsibility in these juries is scary. My dad was a juror in a trial that was against a Toyota dealer, a body shop, and the insured. Long story short, the jury was all against the big companies no matter who’s to blame. Edited October 1, 2019 by fordtech1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 8 hours ago, fordmantpw said: That's an F450, and this is actually the second truck he has broken in the same place. The first was an F350. The guy is a tool salesman and runs with his trailer heavily loaded (I think it's Canada). The trailer tongue is way behind the hitch on the truck, so the hitch must be reinforced. That's a LOOOOT of leverage on the frame of that truck. Seriously overloaded. 3 hours ago, YT90SC said: This pic has been discussed quite a bit on several Ford tech pages. This is the 2nd truck the customer has broken like this. Previous was an F350. You can't see it from this pic, but the tongue on the trailer is VERY long to clear the slide in camper. Pure abuse, not defect. You don't say. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HotRunrGuy Posted October 1, 2019 Author Share Posted October 1, 2019 13 hours ago, YT90SC said: This pic has been discussed quite a bit on several Ford tech pages. This is the 2nd truck the customer has broken like this. Previous was an F350. You can't see it from this pic, but the tongue on the trailer is VERY long to clear the slide in camper. Pure abuse, not defect. This picture seems to support the "long tongue" version, rather than the hitch/receiver extended further back. You can see the brake actuator under the slide-in camper. HRG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 1 hour ago, HotRunrGuy said: This picture seems to support the "long tongue" version, rather than the hitch/receiver extended further back. You can see the brake actuator under the slide-in camper. HRG The lawsuit should be against the company that thought this would be a great way to put a camper and trailer on ANY truck, not just that specific F450. Clearly, the application voids the warranty of the truck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 1 hour ago, HotRunrGuy said: This picture seems to support the "long tongue" version, rather than the hitch/receiver extended further back. You can see the brake actuator under the slide-in camper. HRG Wow, is that tongue long! BTW, that's the F350 he broke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HotRunrGuy Posted October 1, 2019 Author Share Posted October 1, 2019 5 minutes ago, fordmantpw said: Wow, is that tongue long! BTW, that's the F350 he broke. Looking at the 2019 RV/Towing guide, the F-450 CC DRW weight rating is roughly 400# LESS than a similar F-350. Of course, by the time we add that huge camper, and add a lot of tongue weight, he's probably 2K# over the rear-axle weight rating,,,, HRG 2019 Ford slide-in chart.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 31 minutes ago, fordmantpw said: Wow, is that tongue long! BTW, that's the F350 he broke. No it isn't....its an F450. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 15 minutes ago, twintornados said: No it isn't....its an F450. You could be right. The 2011 - 2014 (I think that was the year) F450 did not have the 10 lug/19.5" rim. The top pic in the thread (all white truck) is definitely an F450, I can't tell for certain with the one I'm referring to (truck with tan two-tone). Both of these trucks belong to the same guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordmantpw Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 (edited) 41 minutes ago, HotRunrGuy said: Looking at the 2019 RV/Towing guide, the F-450 CC DRW weight rating is roughly 400# LESS than a similar F-350. Of course, by the time we add that huge camper, and add a lot of tongue weight, he's probably 2K# over the rear-axle weight rating,,,, HRG 2019 Ford slide-in chart.pdf Yes, both trucks have the same GVWR (14k lbs) since they are class 3 trucks. The F450 is heavier due to heavier components, so it has less payload. Yeah, I'm sure he's way overloaded. Edited October 1, 2019 by fordmantpw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 56 minutes ago, fordmantpw said: Wow, is that tongue long! That's what sh.....never mind. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSchicago Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 Sadly the F350 & F450 duallys both use the same frame. If this was built on a F450/F550 cab/Chassis this wouldn't have happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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