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Car & Driver 2020 Explorer vs. Telluride Comparison

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6 hours ago, ice-capades said:

 

The simple answer is to look at the Limited's standard equipment in addition to the XLT's 202A content. I've attached the appropriate page from the 2020 Explorer Order Guide. The major additional content is the addition of the 20" Premium Painted Aluminum Wheels, Ford Co-Pilot360 Assist+ (Adaptive Cruise Control, Voice-Activated Navigation). 

2020 Explorer 4-Door Order Guide_Limited vs. XLT.pdf

Thanks for that,

When you select Copilot 360 Assist, the configurator advises that selection must include 202A and the 20"painted wheels

but you only get 202A's  8-way seat adjust with Active X seating....All for an extra $6,230  so the XLT is now $43,995 which

is what most would expect to pay for a Limited. I get it sorta, I just think Ford has a fair bit of fat on those prices.

 

A better question is how are your buyers receiving prices and options, 

if they are mostly OK with it then I guess Ford is right on the money

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There's a real interesting dealer mix going on nation wide,

Base.....................21 (AWD - 11/ RWD - 10)

XLT.................10,991 (AWD - 7,348/ RWD - 3,643)

Limited............5,698 (AWD - 3,271/ RWD - 2,427)

ST....................4,617 (AWD - 4,617)

Platinum.........4,049 (AWD - 4,049)

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I think they’re trying premium pricing.  Guess we’ll see if it works.

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1 hour ago, akirby said:

I think they’re trying premium pricing.  Guess we’ll see if it works.

I guess so, my concerns about pricing could be at odds with what actual buyers perceive as good value.

and even if the pricing is a bit high, Ford can always throw some incentives at the higher models......

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Good comparison article, my wife really likes the Telluride, we have 4 Fords and one Kia Sportage(hers)!

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https://www.motortrend.com/cars/kia/telluride/2020/2020-ford-explorer-vs-2020-kia-telluride-three-row-suv-comparison/

 

Has the explorer won any comparison tests?  I dnt think this is biased as motortrend also compared the aviator to the xt6 and said it was a bad comparo, the xt6 wasnt nearly good enough.  The pricing strategy that ford has is unfortunatley wrong.  They are using the premium euro brand strat, hike up the prices over their Asian competitors, thrn charge the consumer for their std features.  Then add more "pamper" features that they dnt offer, but offer less user friendly tech features like 3rd row speakers, to justify the 10k premium.  Theres a cpl big issues, though the starting price seems competitive, when you add the features that thr bulk of the consumers want, it drives the price to the next trim level, which starts a cycle where you inevitably pay way more than you wanted to get the stuff you wanted in the ford where it was 5k or so less in the competitor.  Then, after you get that car for so much more, you realize that you were charged a premium, but the build quality and subsequent service doesnt match the premium.  Thats fords biggest problem, their cars dont feel the price.  Its easier with the pickups and expy/navi twins because the product stands on it own with less competitors(who use the same strat nonetheless), but the mid size crossover game a completely diff animal.  I think this is why euros only offer premium choices.  Vw can get away with the atlas because the q7 exists.  Just my 2 cents.

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51 minutes ago, Dlcorbett said:

Vw can get away with the atlas because the q7 exists.  Just my 2 cents.


Well to be fair they are on completely different architectures. Atlas is MQB and Q7 is MLB. 
 

 

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1 hour ago, Dlcorbett said:

https://www.motortrend.com/cars/kia/telluride/2020/2020-ford-explorer-vs-2020-kia-telluride-three-row-suv-comparison/

 

Has the explorer won any comparison tests?  I dnt think this is biased as motortrend also compared the aviator to the xt6 and said it was a bad comparo, the xt6 wasnt nearly good enough.  The pricing strategy that ford has is unfortunatley wrong.  They are using the premium euro brand strat, hike up the prices over their Asian competitors, thrn charge the consumer for their std features.  Then add more "pamper" features that they dnt offer, but offer less user friendly tech features like 3rd row speakers, to justify the 10k premium.  Theres a cpl big issues, though the starting price seems competitive, when you add the features that thr bulk of the consumers want, it drives the price to the next trim level, which starts a cycle where you inevitably pay way more than you wanted to get the stuff you wanted in the ford where it was 5k or so less in the competitor.  Then, after you get that car for so much more, you realize that you were charged a premium, but the build quality and subsequent service doesnt match the premium.  Thats fords biggest problem, their cars dont feel the price.  Its easier with the pickups and expy/navi twins because the product stands on it own with less competitors(who use the same strat nonetheless), but the mid size crossover game a completely diff animal.  I think this is why euros only offer premium choices.  Vw can get away with the atlas because the q7 exists.  Just my 2 cents.

 

Sounds like they cut a few corners on the interior but it's probably not as bad as the reviews and people named Perez make it out to be.  I think they went upscale on the Telluride because they don't have a premium stable mate like Aviator.   It will be more interesting to see the comparisons to the others in the class.  I'd also like to see the price comparisons to the others to see if Kia is lowballing Telluride.   If Explorer Platinum and Limited are significantly higher than the competition then that might be a problem.   Seems like a gamble.  Maybe it pays off.

 

The most concerning thing to me (other than the high trim pricing) is the complaints about ride and handling.  CD6 should be providing better handling than the FWD competition and they should have good ride quality to go with it.   If you're going to charge a premium you better have premium ride and handling.

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1 hour ago, akirby said:

If you're going to charge a premium you better have premium ride and handling.

 

Not to mention premium powertrain smoothness, premium interior quality & design, and premium feature set. All of which 2020 Ford Explorer with 2.3L engine lacks.

 

Seems that Ford is banking on the highly recognized and respected name "Explorer". Remains to be seen if enough Ford loyalists in the market for a new SUV will snap up the new Explorer rather than defecting to Kia Telluride or another model.

 

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11 minutes ago, rperez817 said:

 

Not to mention premium powertrain smoothness All of which 2020 Ford Explorer with 2.3L engine lacks.

 

 

Only you and Car and Driver complained about the powertrain.   All other reviews said it was good.

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1 hour ago, akirby said:

 

Only you and Car and Driver complained about the powertrain.   All other reviews said it was good.

Agreed.  I have the 2.3L Ecoboost in my Mustang.  They could work on improving the sound.  Otherwise, I have no complaints.  I suspect the Explorer interior is quieter, so sound should be less of an issue. 
 

FYI: In the Mustang’s case, it seems that the active exhaust improves the sound considerably. 

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