silvrsvt Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 Try try again https://www.autonews.com/manufacturing/fiat-chrysler-psa-merger-talks-wsj-says?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&utm_term=automotive news&utm_content=453682d8-28f6-4f75-922e-1269ff705266 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 It's deja vu all over again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 Wouldn’t that be Peugeot not Renault? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackinaw Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 It was Renault several months back, now it's PSA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 47 minutes ago, Anthony said: Wouldn’t that be Peugeot not Renault? Well then edit the topic title Mr. Moderator ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atomcat68 Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 I can imagine the car ads... Buy a car at your local Jeep/Ram/Dodge/Chrysler/Fiat/Alfa Romeo/Maserati/Peugoet/Citroen/DS/Opel/Vauxhall dealer! This would give this company more brands than most brands have models! But when PSA bought Opel and Vauxhall I let out a WTF! Why buy brands losing market share in a shrinking market when they could merge with Fiat who was very vocal about finding a partner. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atomcat68 Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 Oh, and I forgot to add the Lancia brand, but FCA probably forgot that brand too! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dequindre Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 Can they make it stick this time? FCA has shopped itself to so many brands that now they're circling around again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackinaw Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 2 hours ago, Dequindre said: Can they make it stick this time? FCA has shopped itself to so many brands that now they're circling around again. The French government sabotaged the possible merger of FCA and Renault back in the spring. The French government owns 15% of Renault and wields a lot of power. Their additional demands caused John Elkann to walk away. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurgeh Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 3 hours ago, atomcat68 said: Oh, and I forgot to add the Lancia brand, but FCA probably forgot that brand too! Don't forget Ambassador! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 10 minutes ago, mackinaw said: The French government sabotaged the possible merger of FCA and Renault back in the spring. The French government owns 15% of Renault and wields a lot of power. Their additional demands caused John Elkann to walk away. Nissan strongly opposed too. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted October 30, 2019 Author Share Posted October 30, 2019 13 hours ago, fuzzymoomoo said: Well then edit the topic title Mr. Moderator ? Doh..thats what I get for multitasking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonj80 Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 Looks like it is a done deal. https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/30/another-merger-of-equals-fiat-chrysler-peugeot-tie-up-comes-with-risks-rewards.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atomcat68 Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 (edited) 17 hours ago, fuzzymoomoo said: Nissan strongly opposed too. And I have to wonder if the Ghosn situation is also a factor. Nissan seems to be fumigating itself of Ghosn's presence and it is being revealed to not be in such great shape. I wonder if there are things about Renault that haven't come to light for the public that FCA execs could see, but have to keep confidential. Renault also may not in such great shape either. Edited October 30, 2019 by atomcat68 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 40 minutes ago, atomcat68 said: And I have to wonder if the Ghosn situation is also a factor. Nissan seems to be fumigating itself of Ghosn's presence and it is being revealed to not be in such great shape. I wonder if there are things about Renault that haven't come to light for the public that FCA execs could see, but have to keep confidential. Renault also may not in such great shape either. The fact that the both seem to need each other to survive says all that needs to be said. They really should both swallow their pride and merge already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonj80 Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 1 hour ago, fuzzymoomoo said: The fact that the both seem to need each other to survive says all that needs to be said. They really should both swallow their pride and merge already. Renault would in a second, Nissan is telling them to F*** Off, and wants to go on it own. Nissan has and is basically subsiding the Renault over the past few years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CKNSLS Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 On 10/29/2019 at 6:02 PM, atomcat68 said: I can imagine the car ads... Buy a car at your local Jeep/Ram/Dodge/Chrysler/Fiat/Alfa Romeo/Maserati/Peugoet/Citroen/DS/Opel/Vauxhall dealer! This would give this company more brands than most brands have models! But when PSA bought Opel and Vauxhall I let out a WTF! Why buy brands losing market share in a shrinking market when they could merge with Fiat who was very vocal about finding a partner. Opel is probably history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itguy09 Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 Polishing the turd yet again. Mopar, just die already. You won't be missed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted October 31, 2019 Author Share Posted October 31, 2019 Looks like a done deal-wouldn’t be surprised to see Chrysler and Dodge go away- https://www.autonews.com/manufacturing/fiat-chrysler-join-forces-psa-create-fourth-largest-automaker?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&utm_term=automotive news&utm_content=d894948c-fe06-4c0a-8569-e496e5af4e99 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGR Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 MOPAR will tremendously benefit from this. They can piggyback on Peugeot and Opel for platforms and maybe whole CUVs and cars. PSA/Opel is way better than Fiat...but then who's not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonj80 Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 So rather than imported Opel with a Buick badge, we'll get them with a Chrysler one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snooter Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 (edited) Only value is heep and ram...honestly, last thing i would ever own is anything from datsun or the others,,france can make wine and chessy bread..everthing else outa there is garbage...at least the italians can build a great bike like Beta.. Edited October 31, 2019 by snooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
630land Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 Opel's left over GM designs are fading out, so no "Chrysler Regal". Also, with car sales way down, don't expect return of Sebring, Dart, or Intrepid, as some Mopar fans are assuming. Others are demanding a "savior" to buy Chrysler and "make it American again". Who? With PSA, maybe more Dodge CUV's for 'volume', but I think Chrysler brand will die off. They are now the minivan brand, the 300 is dying a slow, painful death. And no "new Dodge Gran Fury". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atomcat68 Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 I would have Peugoet take over the Fiat dealerships by adding their models (probably CUV models 3008 and5008 to start) while subtracting Fiat over the next two model years. I would have Chrysler sell CUV models from Citroen and DS brand (the twin cars of Peugoet) as Chryslers, so the Citroen and DS nameplates would not make it here. The Pacifica would stay and the 300 would not. Dodge would sell the Challenger and Charger. No more Fiat in the USA... ever! Develop Alfa and Maserati as planned... Oh wait there really doesn't seem to be a plan. I'd come up with one. I'd make it realistic, and I'd stick with it. Jeep and Ram are rocking, so keep rocking, although I'd like to put Ram back as a Dodge or make it a Jeep Ram and make Jeep a truck powerhouse, which would insulate it somewhat if another SUV downturn occurs as trucks are always needed. There are too many brand identities to manage. Lancia would disappear from the face of the Earth as they are only in Italy with one model. This would be painful to do this to such a storied brand, but they destroyed it anyway and there are too many brands for this combined company to keep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 Honestly I can see a lot of brands disappearing in this the market is already saturated with too many brands worldwide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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