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Bronco and Bronco Sport World Premier-before June 20th?!

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4 hours ago, Deanh said:

the biggest thing I liked about the Flex was that second row leg room, car was definitely packaged better than the Explorer...biggest issue is whilst it sold well in So Cal and a couple of other sunshine states, in areas which endured snow and inclement weather , ground clearance was an issue...


Ive only had mine for one winter but never had a problem with ground clearance during any of the snowstorms I drove it in. 

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1 hour ago, ehaase said:

Wasn't the Flex much roomier and conducive to use for eight passengers than the Explorer? 

 

Mine only seats 6. 

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3 hours ago, akirby said:

You’ve got Escape buyers who aren’t interested in a Bronco Sport.   
 

You’ve got Bronco Sport buyers who wouldn’t buy an Escape.

 

And you’ve got some folks who would buy either.

 

Price will probably be the deciding factor for the latter group.

The big question will be if Ford sees an increase in combined sales or mostly a draw down of existing Escape sales.

Frankly, there are just so many variables at the moment that it will be hard to tell for at least a year or more.

but most would agree that not offering new products like Bronco Sport would be a huge mistake, making a

difference is important as is offering buyers more choice, one Ford was never meant to be one choice.

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For eight seats, you need to go to a three row that offers three, three, two seating.

As in a full sized SUV like Expedition or Tahoe.

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2 hours ago, jpd80 said:

For eight seats, you need to go to a three row that offers three, three, two seating.

As in a full sized SUV like Expedition or Tahoe.

Personally I think 3 2 three makes way more sense so that getting to the far back row isn't a giant PITA but people these days don't like bench seats for some reason lol

I think the convertible ones where the seat back doubles as a console are best.

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2 hours ago, PREMiERdrum said:

Mine seats 7, but no Flex seats 8 (legally).


Yeah, I wanted the 2nd row captains chairs with the whole having 3 kids in car seats thing going on. 

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23 hours ago, Deanh said:

sidebar ...Ford has to know, if not be involved in the slow release of spy shots...they could milk this until the final reveal....ie, remove camo around one tail-light one week,  roof the next, front door the next etc etc etc...

 

No question about it; it was not a coincidence that the 'spy shot' photos of finished vehicles hit the net just before the originally scheduled reveals, and then suddenly there were no spy shots of finished vehicles when the reveals were pushed out.

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23 hours ago, Deanh said:

sidebar ...Ford has to know, if not be involved in the slow release of spy shots...they could milk this until the final reveal....ie, remove camo around one tail-light one week,  roof the next, front door the next etc etc etc...

 

I have no doubt they're behind all the photos.

 

At this point, they could send out a very zoomed in video of a hand slowly peeling off some tape from a body panel and people would eat it up.

 

20 hours ago, ehaase said:

Wasn't the Flex much roomier and conducive to use for eight passengers than the Explorer? 

 

Flex has always seated either 6 or 7.  Mine seats 6 with the 2nd row console.

 

20 hours ago, silvrsvt said:


 

I'm curious as to how much of an effect the Bronco Sport will have on Escape sales when it comes out. 

 

Yeah, that'll be interesting to see.

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34 minutes ago, rmc523 said:

Flex has always seated either 6 or 7.  Mine seats 6 with the 2nd row console.


I forgot there was a second row console option. I'll have to see if I can find one in good shape from a junkyard or order one new once my kids get older and out of car seats. 

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7 hours ago, fuzzymoomoo said:


I forgot there was a second row console option. I'll have to see if I can find one in good shape from a junkyard or order one new once my kids get older and out of car seats. 

 

Yeah, my console actually has the fridge too (it never gets used......it takes too long to cool down, meaning the only time it'd be semi-useful would be on a road trip, but even then, meh).  I'd imagine they probably dropped the fridge after a model year or two, and I think they also stopped offering the console a few model years ago too.

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2 hours ago, rmc523 said:

 

Yeah, my console actually has the fridge too (it never gets used......it takes too long to cool down, meaning the only time it'd be semi-useful would be on a road trip, but even then, meh).  I'd imagine they probably dropped the fridge after a model year or two, and I think they also stopped offering the console a few model years ago too.


That would explain why the dealer didn't have any on the lot when I was looking. I didn't remember seeing it in the order guide either but my track record of seeing everything in the order guides is spotty at best 

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On 5/23/2020 at 5:20 PM, silvrsvt said:


 

I'm curious as to how much of an effect the Bronco Sport will have on Escape sales when it comes out. 


I see a lot of people who think the Sport might hurt the Escape but as a few have pointed out I think it will help the Escape. Now Ford can go all-in on the feminine car design without fear, because anyone who dislikes it will be easily satisfied by the Sport and regular bronco.

Altogether, they actually make a nice little trio with the Sport being right in that sweet middle spot. Of course now when I put it that way... it makes me wonder if the Sport could be the biggest seller of them all?

 

Well if nothing else, it will be interesting to watch the show!

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9 hours ago, probowler said:


I see a lot of people who think the Sport might hurt the Escape but as a few have pointed out I think it will help the Escape. Now Ford can go all-in on the feminine car design without fear, because anyone who dislikes it will be easily satisfied by the Sport and regular bronco.

Altogether, they actually make a nice little trio with the Sport being right in that sweet middle spot. Of course now when I put it that way... it makes me wonder if the Sport could be the biggest seller of them all?

 

Well if nothing else, it will be interesting to watch the show!


do women want a feminine vehicle? I’d say the jury is still out on that one. The majority of Jeep Wrangler drivers I see are women. Same for Tahoe’s, expeditions, or really any suv. 
 

I’d guess that the sport would be the biggest seller if it was offered in 2WD and at the same price point as the escape.

 

This is might be an unpopular opinion, but I think the bronco branding actually hurts the sport. To be named bronco means that it now has to live up to the bronco name, so they added standard 4x4. A good portion of the country doesn’t need 4x4 and the added price that comes with it. I think that a lot of people considering the sport are people who just want something that looks different from the escape. This segment is still very price conscious so the added price will hurt its sales. Just removing the 4x4 would significantly lower the price. Ford wouldn’t lose much profit by doing this since the vehicle would be cheaper to make, but the lower price would allow them to sell more. Also, has anyone been over to the bronco sport forum lately? It’s literally a ghost town. 
 

edit: I think most of it’s competitors over at Jeep offer a 2WD version.

Edited by T-dubz

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9 hours ago, probowler said:


I see a lot of people who think the Sport might hurt the Escape but as a few have pointed out I think it will help the Escape. Now Ford can go all-in on the feminine car design without fear, because anyone who dislikes it will be easily satisfied by the Sport and regular bronco.

Altogether, they actually make a nice little trio with the Sport being right in that sweet middle spot. Of course now when I put it that way... it makes me wonder if the Sport could be the biggest seller of them all?

 

Well if nothing else, it will be interesting to watch the show!

 

If Ford does a hybrid Bronco Sport, maybe it will outsell Escape. But without a hybrid, I don't think so. I can only speak for Central Florida as the Titanium Hybrid sells quickly and the Sport Hybrid is hard to find. Also, the Escae has always been a good fleet seller as the Escape S is basically meant for fleet. So hopefully the Sport will obtain higher ATP'S, but probably fewer sales.

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SUV buyers in GA opt for AWD a lot, even though it’s rarely needed.

 

I don’t think the sport will match Escape just because of price.  Ford wants it to be more premium than Escape but still sell well.  It also may sell more Escapes if buyers come in to look at the Sport but get a cheaper Escape,

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50 minutes ago, akirby said:

SUV buyers in GA opt for AWD a lot, even though it’s rarely needed.

 

I don’t think the sport will match Escape just because of price.  Ford wants it to be more premium than Escape but still sell well.  It also may sell more Escapes if buyers come in to look at the Sport but get a cheaper Escape,


It would be interesting to see the sales figures of 4x4 vs 2WD in the compact cuv market. I tried searching but couldn’t find anything. There are a ton of 4x4 trucks around me, just not very many cuv/suvs.

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