Deanh Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 16 hours ago, FordBuyer said: Some dealers don't charge doc fees or keep them as low as $50. Mullinax Ford advertises $50 doc fees only. I believe the max we can charge in California is $85 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 15 hours ago, jasonj80 said: It’s currently listed on the AXZ website, even shows $1,000 incentive. on the Bronco or Bronco sport?...I doubt anythings been released regarding incentives on a car that wont be her till when, April?... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 9 minutes ago, T-dubz said: The Mach e is going to be much more limited than the bronco and it is still eligible for x plan. Saying that this is due to limited supply doesn’t really make sense on ford’s part, unless the 2021 model is going to be a very small production run. the response to the Bronco is on a completely different level to the Mach E. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-dubz Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Just now, Deanh said: the response to the Bronco is on a completely different level to the Mach E. For sure, but the Mach e is limited to 50-60k units. I’d imagine that’s still lower then the number of Broncos they will make for 2021. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonj80 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Deanh said: on the Bronco or Bronco sport?...I doubt anythings been released regarding incentives on a car that wont be her till when, April?... I was talking about The FE MME being A/Z plan eligible, Bronco Sport FE only shows $300. Sorry wasn't clear. Actually I just checked the FE MME has a $2500 rebate in the SoCal region. Edited October 21, 2020 by jasonj80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 26 minutes ago, jasonj80 said: I was talking about The FE MME being A/Z plan eligible, Bronco Sport FE only shows $300. Sorry wasn't clear. Actually I just checked the FE MME has a $2500 rebate in the SoCal region. ok...youll need to break down the acronyms...FE MME? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 43 minutes ago, T-dubz said: Saying that this is due to limited supply doesn’t really make sense on ford’s part, unless the 2021 model is going to be a very small production run. They have more reservations than they can build for 2021 therefore supply is limited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 I would suspect the Bronco Sport to mirror the incentives the Escape has for obvious reasons....the Bronco is its own beast and beats to a different drummer...victim not so much of supply...but demand 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 11 minutes ago, Deanh said: ok...youll need to break down the acronyms...FE MME? First Edition Mustang Mach-E 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-dubz Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 9 minutes ago, akirby said: They have more reservations than they can build for 2021 therefore supply is limited. I guess it depends on how many Broncos they produce in 2021. The MME will be less than 60k yet it still gets x plan and incentives. So saying it’s due to limited supply isn’t exactly truthful when other vehicles in the ford lineup with limited supply also get x plan. Also saying it’s similar to Shelby mustangs and raptors doesn’t make any sense either. I don’t have sales data for those models but I’d guess they are in the range of 10-20k a year. Now if ford only makes 20k Broncos for 2021, then it makes more sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, silvrsvt said: I'm assuming they are going to be just filling reservations with the 2021MY Yup, and reservations placed after September 18th will be 2022 MYs. I assume that doesn't account for any late availability items, though, which I'd think could put earlier reservations into the 2022 MY timeframe. Honestly, if they're going to offer X-plan on 2022 MYs, it might not be the end of the world if it gets pushed back to a 2022 instead of 2021. Edited October 21, 2020 by rmc523 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-dubz Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 32 minutes ago, Deanh said: I would suspect the Bronco Sport to mirror the incentives the Escape has for obvious reasons....the Bronco is its own beast and beats to a different drummer...victim not so much of supply...but demand I hope your right. Escape has $3750 in incentives right now. Add that to the sport, and you’d have base models starting around 23k and badlands around 29k (without destination). The sport would sell really well if that’s true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 20 minutes ago, T-dubz said: I guess it depends on how many Broncos they produce in 2021. The MME will be less than 60k yet it still gets x plan and incentives. So saying it’s due to limited supply isn’t exactly truthful when other vehicles in the ford lineup with limited supply also get x plan. Also saying it’s similar to Shelby mustangs and raptors doesn’t make any sense either. I don’t have sales data for those models but I’d guess they are in the range of 10-20k a year. Now if ford only makes 20k Broncos for 2021, then it makes more sense. They said high demand and limited supply, not just limited supply. Mach E limited supply but not high demand. Bronco demand > supply. It’s not rocket surgery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, T-dubz said: I hope your right. Escape has $3750 in incentives right now. Add that to the sport, and you’d have base models starting around 23k and badlands around 29k (without destination). The sport would sell really well if that’s true. Bronco Sport should sell without big incentives for at least a couple of years unless they’ve built that into the pricing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 56 minutes ago, fuzzymoomoo said: First Edition Mustang Mach-E thx mate, SPELL IT OUT!...left the military decades ago....lol... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-dubz Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 20 minutes ago, akirby said: They said high demand and limited supply, not just limited supply. Mach E limited supply but not high demand. Bronco demand > supply. It’s not rocket surgery. You are right, I completely overlooked the demand part in the tweet. Well what does this say about the MME then? Limited supply and limited demand at launch can’t be good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 1 minute ago, T-dubz said: You are right, I completely overlooked the demand part in the tweet. Well what does this say about the MME then? Limited supply and limited demand at launch can’t be good. reflective of the type of vehicle...and they'll all sell, but electric is a different beast, and truth be told...that markets is about to get flooded by everyone and their uncle...glad Ford used common sense for once and didn't put all their eggs in one basket...and from the Dealer standpoint the whole way the reservations worked on the Mach E was confusing and completely ridiculous...I hope the Broncos when they flop to actual hard orders are handled better and Ford learnt their lessons... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoolScoop Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 1 hour ago, T-dubz said: Escape has $3750 in incentives right now. $2750 in my region and Hybrids and Titanium 2.0s are hard to find.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-dubz Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 18 minutes ago, CoolScoop said: $2750 in my region and Hybrids and Titanium 2.0s are hard to find.... Around me all the hybrids are 3250 off and everything else is $3750. I also noticed the lack of titanium’s and hybrids. It’s mainly just SE’s that I see on the lots. Hopefully the sport is the opposite with mainly badlands and outer banks on the lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 1 hour ago, T-dubz said: I guess it depends on how many Broncos they produce in 2021. The MME will be less than 60k yet it still gets x plan and incentives. So saying it’s due to limited supply isn’t exactly truthful when other vehicles in the ford lineup with limited supply also get x plan. Also saying it’s similar to Shelby mustangs and raptors doesn’t make any sense either. I don’t have sales data for those models but I’d guess they are in the range of 10-20k a year. Now if ford only makes 20k Broncos for 2021, then it makes more sense. The bottom line is that Ford doesn't want to do X plan for friends and family, "Limited Supply" tells us Ford's mentality towards those high registration numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Deanh said: reflective of the type of vehicle...and they'll all sell, but electric is a different beast, and truth be told...that markets is about to get flooded by everyone and their uncle...glad Ford used common sense for once and didn't put all their eggs in one basket...and from the Dealer standpoint the whole way the reservations worked on the Mach E was confusing and completely ridiculous...I hope the Broncos when they flop to actual hard orders are handled better and Ford learnt their lessons... It's interesting that references to MME are now low key compared to the Bronco, so it will be interesting how this plays out as I'm wondering if buyer interest has also begun to wain or just go off the boil. Edited October 21, 2020 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 1 hour ago, T-dubz said: Well what does this say about the MME then? Limited supply and limited demand at launch can’t be good. Same thing we've been saying all along - outside of Tesla-philes the BEV market is pretty small. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 2 hours ago, Deanh said: reflective of the type of vehicle...and they'll all sell, but electric is a different beast, and truth be told...that markets is about to get flooded by everyone and their uncle...glad Ford used common sense for once and didn't put all their eggs in one basket...and from the Dealer standpoint the whole way the reservations worked on the Mach E was confusing and completely ridiculous...I hope the Broncos when they flop to actual hard orders are handled better and Ford learnt their lessons... What happened with Mach E reservations? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonj80 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 27 minutes ago, jpd80 said: It's interesting that references to MME are now low key compared to the Bronco, so it will be interesting how this plays out as I'm wondering if buyer interest has also begun to wain or just go off the boil. Little bit of both, having both reserved I'm going to pass on the MME short term, longer term though I could see getting one in 2-3 years if I start building the Bronco that makes it harder to live with day to day, or my Bronco order is delayed considerably it could happen sooner. I suspect the MME is going to build over the next 12-24 months. It really hits the sweet spot in the market and is really the only true Tesla competitor. With incentives it will end up around 40-45K which it is a hell of car at that price, once more electric fast chargers start popping up and people see their neighbors and friends get them it will spread. I could see the MME doing very well in California, I do know two current Tesla owners that are very excited for it. The Bronco will be hot but sales will be consistent however if Ford can't deliver the pro-orders will start to evaporate, they'll end up selling off dealer lots -- resale value should be insane for the first two-three years on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 1 hour ago, rmc523 said: What happened with Mach E reservations? we have quite a few...but I think one of the reasons is the Bronco is getting ALL the press right now....Ive seen literally nothing on the Mach...I think interest will be piqued when it starts hitting dealers and streets...good looking car...and a LOT less generic than Teslas Model Y 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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