rmc523 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 On 11/2/2019 at 4:03 PM, ausrutherford said: If the Lincoln-based Rivian is built anywhere, it is going to built in Illinois with the rest of Rivian's products. The mid-size BEVs will not move to Avon Lake. That is a truck plant. Also its TWO vehicles. Avon Lake is confirmed for ONE new product. Either the BEVs won't start production at the Flat Rock plant in this contract...OR Ford is moving them to Oakville to built along with the non-BEV Edge and Nautilus. The latter makes a heck of a lot more sense than them being built a truck plant. This makes sense to me. 19 hours ago, silvrsvt said: There isn’t really a reason to-Ford needs space to build products-it just needs to figure out what to build there. There is a steering committee formed with the UAW to work on that subject. I’m sure there are some changes and adjustments that Ford is looking at with the way the market is going. The big issue is how fast BEVs are going to take off in the market. I’m wondering if the mid sized CUVs are getting pulled back and what Ohio is getting is something completely different BEV wise. It makes no sense to have two Mid size CUVs at this point. I can't see any non truck/commercial product going to Ohio. It wouldn't make much sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 OHAP is not limited to truck production, they built SUV's and mini-vans too. Mercury Villager (1993-2003) Nissan Quest (1993-2003) Ford Escape (2001-2005) Mercury Mariner (2005) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 I thinking the real reason may have been the cost of converting FRAP may have been more than starting new somewhere else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 27 minutes ago, twintornados said: OHAP is not limited to truck production, they built SUV's and mini-vans too. Mercury Villager (1993-2003) Nissan Quest (1993-2003) Ford Escape (2001-2005) Mercury Mariner (2005) From what I understand, building the heavy trucks is a lot more manual than what it takes to build a Super Duty or F-150. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 59 minutes ago, twintornados said: OHAP is not limited to truck production, they built SUV's and mini-vans too. Mercury Villager (1993-2003) Nissan Quest (1993-2003) Ford Escape (2001-2005) Mercury Mariner (2005) Oh, it's possible sure. But it wouldn't make sense given the products that are there now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted November 4, 2019 Author Share Posted November 4, 2019 1 hour ago, jpd80 said: I thinking the real reason may have been the cost of converting FRAP may have been more than starting new somewhere else Thats kinda strange since FRAP has two separate assembly lines from what I understand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 1 minute ago, silvrsvt said: Thats kinda strange since FRAP has two separate assembly lines from what I understand. Maybe that's why it's more expensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 2 hours ago, silvrsvt said: Thats kinda strange since FRAP has two separate assembly lines from what I understand. No they don't. I was told that a long time ago but learned first hand working there that guy was 1000000% full of shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted November 5, 2019 Author Share Posted November 5, 2019 1 hour ago, fuzzymoomoo said: No they don't. I was told that a long time ago but learned first hand working there that guy was 1000000% full of shit. So how where they running Mazdas and Fords at the same plant? was it two different trim lines or something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 1 hour ago, silvrsvt said: So how where they running Mazdas and Fords at the same plant? was it two different trim lines or something? If anything there was probably separated lines in body shop that consolidated near the end. If you look at videos of Kentucky Truck you should see what I'm talking about, the SUV and truck lines are separate and consolidate near the end. It's probably very similar now, but I never went into the body shop while I was there. It helps that there's some commonality between Mustang and the CD4 platform. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snooter Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 (edited) On 11/2/2019 at 11:39 AM, Assimilator said: Looked at a new lime green gt stang today...beautiful...$49k price tag...yep i can understand why the mustang plant is underused....no wonder they cant sell any..beautiful car though for the gray hairs....it was nearly $5k more than the f350 i spec'd out Edited November 5, 2019 by snooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildosvt Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 Not sure how true this info is. But it is rumored that FRAP was slated for closure during negotiations as of last wednesday but was saved, For now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted November 5, 2019 Author Share Posted November 5, 2019 5 minutes ago, wildosvt said: Not sure how true this info is. But it is rumored that FRAP was slated for closure during negotiations as of last wednesday but was saved, For now. If that happened, where would the Mustang gone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 That would make it twice in the last 15 years. It was supposed to close when Mazda backed out but ford opted to buy it instead. Not good Anyone still there should consider getting off of that sinking ship first chance you get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snooter Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 (edited) 21 minutes ago, silvrsvt said: If that happened, where would the Mustang gone? On a suv or anything else....all they care about is the nameplate..hatchett would luv to get rid of the mustang and keep only the nameplate...heck nearly every dealer would welcome it as well...oh well...ram has a nice looking rig as well... Edited November 5, 2019 by snooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7Mary3 Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 How many lines are at Avon Lake? 3 being 350-550, 650-750, and E/stripped chassis? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HotRunrGuy Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 2 hours ago, snooter said: Looked at a new lime green gt stang today...beautiful...$49k price tag...yep i can understand why the mustang plant is underused....no wonder they cant sell any..beautiful car though for the gray hairs....it was nearly $5k more than the f350 i spec'd out I'd like to see your build list for that F350. The CHEAPEST one I can find within a hundred miles is less than $3K under $49K. HRG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snooter Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 (edited) 24 minutes ago, HotRunrGuy said: I'd like to see your build list for that F350. The CHEAPEST one I can find within a hundred miles is less than $3K under $49K. HRG Base xl 350 fx4...few options i want...vinyl interior.....just a plain radio....just a truck being a truck..nothing fancy Edited November 5, 2019 by snooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfan Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 Ford just cancelled- again- a replacement paint shop for FRAP ☹️ http://www.deq.state.mi.us/aps/cwerp.shtml I would like to know why a plant that was stated for billions in investment and new product as early as six months ago is now number one on Ford's _hit list? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 29 minutes ago, Footballfan said: Ford just cancelled- again- a replacement paint shop for FRAP ☹️ http://www.deq.state.mi.us/aps/cwerp.shtml I would like to know why a plant that was stated for billions in investment and new product as early as six months ago is now number one on Ford's _hit list? Great, my house gets to smell like cat piss when the windows are open for a while longer ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfan Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 5 hours ago, silvrsvt said: If that happened, where would the Mustang gone? Perhaps MAP? I don't know how much of the old Wayne Assembly side is open however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 20 minutes ago, Footballfan said: Perhaps MAP? I don't know how much of the old Wayne Assembly side is open however. Not a chance. There's a part of Wayne Assembly that MAP ISA uses that builds parts for other plants (F-Series dash panels and Escape/Corsair floor pans namely. Theres a couple more lines in there). The rest as of this moment is under construction as that is turning into parts sequencing (again), new/expanded MOD Center, and something that kinda got lost in the madness of the new contract, the new autonomous vehicle upfit center. I haven't been over there in a few months but I'm pretty sure the only part that hasn't been touched is the old paint shop. Besides, the old Wayne body shop is now used for Ranger (and soon Bronco) sub assemblies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted November 5, 2019 Author Share Posted November 5, 2019 Closing FRAP is rather concerning overall...looking at Ford's future they currently have three plants that aren't being fully utilized- FRAP-Mustang and Continental which is only about 150K per year if that OAP-Edge and Nautilus 150-200K units a year depending on worldwide sales Cuautitlán- Mach E production upcoming 40K units for NA-maybe 60K world wide? Apparently Ford has excess production capabilities and isn't expecting to grow its market share going by this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 3 hours ago, silvrsvt said: Closing FRAP is rather concerning overall...looking at Ford's future they currently have three plants that aren't being fully utilized- FRAP-Mustang and Continental which is only about 150K per year if that OAP-Edge and Nautilus 150-200K units a year depending on worldwide sales Cuautitlán- Mach E production upcoming 40K units for NA-maybe 60K world wide? Apparently Ford has excess production capabilities and isn't expecting to grow its market share going by this. It'll be interesting to see how they juggle things. It seems like plans keep changing too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Assimilator Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 (edited) It's also quite possible the Larger BEVs are also going to Mexico instead of FRAP, especially since they are based on the Mach E architecture. Not something they will disclose now obviously and they won't have to for awhile. Oakville is also possible. But I think the US has either lost these products to Canada or Mexico, or they are simply beyond the 4-Year contract which would mean the products are delayed (hopefully not). It's also possible the product plans have changed in relation to the Rivian investment, at least on Lincoln's side. Edited November 5, 2019 by Assimilator 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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