coupe3w Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 Everything will eventually fall under Electric vehicles I would think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harley Lover Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 1 hour ago, akirby said: Umm.....PERFORMANCE VEHICLES! Only the Shelby versions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerLS Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 56 minutes ago, Harley Lover said: Only the Shelby versions. The Shelby versions aren't stand-alone vehicles. You can't have a GT-500 without the Mustang on which it's built. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harley Lover Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 14 hours ago, SoonerLS said: The Shelby versions aren't stand-alone vehicles. You can't have a GT-500 without the Mustang on which it's built. Which has zero relevance to which EPLM group they fall under. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 37 minutes ago, Harley Lover said: Which has zero relevance to which EPLM group they fall under. Well it’s hard to be responsible for gt350/GT500 without being responsible for the regular mustang since they probably share 95% of the parts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 Also if mustang isn’t in performance vehicles then where does it go? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harley Lover Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 19 hours ago, Harley Lover said: Dave Pericak's latest title within Ford: Director Enterprise Product Line Management - Ford Icons Silversvt said Icons is comprised of Mustang, Bronco, and Raptor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harley Lover Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 51 minutes ago, akirby said: Well it’s hard to be responsible for gt350/GT500 without being responsible for the regular mustang since they probably share 95% of the parts. Tell that to Ford, they're the ones that split them up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 1 hour ago, Harley Lover said: Tell that to Ford, they're the ones that split them up. They did? The shelby mustangs have been under the Mustang umbrella ever since the 2012 GT500. All part of the S550 program. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 2 hours ago, Harley Lover said: Silversvt said Icons is comprised of Mustang, Bronco, and Raptor. There was no Icon EPLM in the list. Was the list incomplete? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackinaw Posted December 8, 2019 Author Share Posted December 8, 2019 3 hours ago, akirby said: There was no Icon EPLM in the list. Was the list incomplete? Listen to Dave Perocak on the AAH #487 episode. He talks about his new job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
probowler Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 49 minutes ago, mackinaw said: Listen to Dave Perocak on the AAH #487 episode. He talks about his new job. I feel like it would have been a lot easier and helpful if you just shared your knowledge and answered the question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackinaw Posted December 8, 2019 Author Share Posted December 8, 2019 15 minutes ago, probowler said: I feel like it would have been a lot easier and helpful if you just shared your knowledge and answered the question. Dave Perocak can speak to his new job better than I can. And is it really so much of a bother to listen to a few minutes of audio? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harley Lover Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 6 hours ago, fuzzymoomoo said: They did? The shelby mustangs have been under the Mustang umbrella ever since the 2012 GT500. All part of the S550 program. Did ELPM exist in 2012? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harley Lover Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 4 hours ago, akirby said: There was no Icon EPLM in the list. Was the list incomplete? That's the only conclusion I can draw - Pericak's position (Icons) was announced after that list was published. As with many things Hackett, it's a moving target. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackinaw Posted December 9, 2019 Author Share Posted December 9, 2019 2 hours ago, Harley Lover said: Did ELPM exist in 2012? Nope. Read this: https://www.wardsauto.com/ideaxchange/important-story-behind-ford-s-electric-mustang Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 If Pericak is a director then he might be responsible for F series, performance vehicles (mustang, GT, STs) and rugged utilities (Bronco). Those could still be individual EPLMs under Pericak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
probowler Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 4 hours ago, mackinaw said: Dave Perocak can speak to his new job better than I can. And is it really so much of a bother to listen to a few minutes of audio? I'm just saying a cliff notes would be great! I'm used to podcasts being an hour long affair, and going in blind to an unknown show to find a specific conversation isn't just a quick minute thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 13 hours ago, mackinaw said: Nope. Read this: https://www.wardsauto.com/ideaxchange/important-story-behind-ford-s-electric-mustang One of the things that I'm curious about with EPLM is how it integrates with existing P&L silos. F'r instance, say you're the EPLM director for the Escape: To what extent are you going to get dinged over poor performance in, say, South America, when there are issues in SA that apply to the entire business unit? Or, say, you've got a product like the Mustang, being built in an under utilized plant. That's going to raise your per-unit costs significantly, but you're not in a position to move new product to the plant. I mean, they'll have to come up with some pretty sophisticated accounting methods to back out structural costs from these products (and based on my indirect experience w/large corporations, upper management is going to see very little of the kludge work required to comply with this new reporting method). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 17 minutes ago, RichardJensen said: One of the things that I'm curious about with EPLM is how it integrates with existing P&L silos. F'r instance, say you're the EPLM director for the Escape: To what extent are you going to get dinged over poor performance in, say, South America, when there are issues in SA that apply to the entire business unit? Or, say, you've got a product like the Mustang, being built in an under utilized plant. That's going to raise your per-unit costs significantly, but you're not in a position to move new product to the plant. I mean, they'll have to come up with some pretty sophisticated accounting methods to back out structural costs from these products (and based on my indirect experience w/large corporations, upper management is going to see very little of the kludge work required to comply with this new reporting method). Most of it comes down to KPIs. I'm sure they'll have different KPIs for each country's sales so if there is a special circumstance they can just exclude those KPIs (e.g. the South America Escape KPI doesn't count this year). Or they adjust the KPI targets as needed to account for special situations. On the accounting side I would assume they already know both the direct manufacturing costs and overhead so they probably only track the direct costs for the EPLM KPIs and corporate eats the other overhead. That's the only way that would make sense provided you have some other team responsible for factory utilization. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 (edited) 12 hours ago, probowler said: I'm just saying a cliff notes would be great! I'm used to podcasts being an hour long affair, and going in blind to an unknown show to find a specific conversation isn't just a quick minute thing. I listened to it and Pericak says he owns Bronco, Raptor and Mustang which I believe also includes F Series as a whole. Now if he owns Bronco and Bronco is part of the Icon EPLM group then what the heck is in the "Rugged Utilities" EPLM group? Just Baby Bronco? Doesn't make sense. What makes sense is that Pericak is Director of the F series, Performance Vehicles and Rugged Utilities EPLM teams (which includes all the Ford ICONs) and you have other Directors in charge of other EPLM teams. Just my educated guess. Edited December 9, 2019 by akirby 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardJensen Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 40 minutes ago, akirby said: I listened to it and Pericak says he owns Bronco, Raptor and Mustang which I believe also includes F Series as a whole. Now if he owns Bronco and Bronco is part of the Icon EPLM group then what the heck is in the "Rugged Utilities" EPLM group? Just Baby Bronco? Doesn't make sense. What makes sense is that Pericak is Director of the F series, Performance Vehicles and Rugged Utilities EPLM teams (which includes all the Ford ICONs) and you have other Directors in charge of other EPLM teams. Just my educated guess. Rugged utilities might be Expy/Explorer/Everest? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 9 minutes ago, RichardJensen said: Rugged utilities might be Expy/Explorer/Everest? I was thinking Bronco/Everest/Baby Bronco. I think Explorer and Expedition would be in Family Utilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackinaw Posted December 9, 2019 Author Share Posted December 9, 2019 1 hour ago, akirby said: I listened to it and Pericak says he owns Bronco, Raptor and Mustang which I believe also includes F Series as a whole. Now if he owns Bronco and Bronco is part of the Icon EPLM group then what the heck is in the "Rugged Utilities" EPLM group? Just Baby Bronco? Doesn't make sense. What makes sense is that Pericak is Director of the F series, Performance Vehicles and Rugged Utilities EPLM teams (which includes all the Ford ICONs) and you have other Directors in charge of other EPLM teams. Just my educated guess. A good as anybody's guess right now. I'm hoping in the 2019 Annual Report Ford tells us more about EPLM's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, akirby said: I was thinking Bronco/Everest/Baby Bronco. I think Explorer and Expedition would be in Family Utilities. This is what I posted in the other thread which I updated somewhat... just my guess Fiesta Active could be either Volume or Sporty model (and vice versa with Puma)... not exactly sure how Ford will position them in Europe. In the US, Puma will be more mainstream model but we know it is not coming here. Ditto Focus Active and CX758... Function: Rugged Utilities / Commodity Volume Utilities / Sporty Utilities Appearance: More "Truck like" <---> More "SUV like" <--> More "Car like" B-segment: EcoSport / Puma / Fiesta Active C-segment short: CX758? / ??? / Focus Active C-segment long: Baby Bronco / Escape / Focus Active Wagon Midsize: Bronco / Edge / Mondeo Active (Mondeo replacement) Midsize EV: ??? / MACH E based square back CUV / MACH E Large: Everest / Explorer / Explorer coupe? Taurus Active? (I'm kidding about Taurus Active ?) Fullsize: Hypothetical "Big Bronco" / Expedition / Not gonna happen Edited December 9, 2019 by bzcat 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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