silvrsvt Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadicalX Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 Wonderful. It seems cautious and well programmed. The disastrous release of Aviator and Explorer cannot be repeated. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 Interesting that the deposit is returned when an order is placed and not just applied to the vehicle price or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 5 minutes ago, rmc523 said: Interesting that the deposit is returned when an order is placed and not just applied to the vehicle price or something. It makes perfect sense because the deposit is with Ford but you buy the vehicle from the dealer. Trying to transfer the deposit from Ford to the dealer is probably a bookkeeping issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 (edited) Oh that's true. Tesla is different since they own their stores. But at that point, what good did the deposit do for Ford? I guess if someone put money down it means they'll actually go through with the purchase? But it's refundable either way. Edited December 19, 2019 by rmc523 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 I'm willing to bet that most people will end up using that deposit as at least part of a down payment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 23 minutes ago, rmc523 said: Oh that's true. Tesla is different since they own their stores. But at that point, what good did the deposit do for Ford? I guess if someone put money down it means they'll actually go through with the purchase? But it's refundable either way. The point was to secure your order spot, build some buzz and get some free cash to use for a few months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, fuzzymoomoo said: I'm willing to bet that most people will end up using that deposit as at least part of a down payment That's exactly what I figure too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Assimilator Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 (edited) I actually just cancelled my pre-order yesterday, they make it very easy online to do so. I'm impressed by how well they are handling that aspect of the car. A big reason is that I just lost the urgency to jump onboard first since Ford is so inexperienced in this segment, the ongoing Explorer/Aviator debacle doesn't inspire any confidence in their ability to fully bake and build something this new at launch. I'm just hoping Lincoln has something in 2022 when my lease is up on the Nautilus, which is something I would be more interested in anyway. This also gives Ford some time to figure out how to make these things and perfect the new tech and features in them. Edited December 19, 2019 by Assimilator 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 Lol, weren't you head over heels loving it a few weeks ago? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 28 minutes ago, rmc523 said: Lol, weren't you head over heels loving it a few weeks ago? That was then, this is now 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Assimilator Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 (edited) I lost my sense or urgency to get inline, I still think it looks exciting...potentially. And there are a ton of other EVs coming online very quickly, this segment is evolving too fast to get onboard this early when I have time to wait. Edited December 19, 2019 by Assimilator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austin Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 2 hours ago, Assimilator said: I actually just cancelled my pre-order yesterday, they make it very easy online to do so. I'm impressed by how well they are handling that aspect of the car. A big reason is that I just lost the urgency to jump onboard first since Ford is so inexperienced in this segment, the ongoing Explorer/Aviator debacle doesn't inspire any confidence in their ability to fully bake and build something this new at launch. I'm just hoping Lincoln has something in 2022 when my lease is up on the Nautilus, which is something I would be more interested in anyway. This also gives Ford some time to figure out how to make these things and perfect the new tech and features in them. My thoughts are similar to yours; I'm not sure Ford can pull this off without glitches. I have a reservation and will hold on until I'm forced to make a decision. Hopefully Z plan pricing will be known at that point. The other thoughts are more about how we use our two vehicles. Our around-town car only gets 5k annually and we've had a couple of PHEV's that work very well (Volt/Fusion Energi) although a little more range would be nice. Our trip car gets around 15k annually and is presently a Lincoln MKZ Hybrid which works well. I don't know how a BEV fits in this picture. For limited local use it would be expensive and subjected to parking lot dings. For trips, the charging infrastructure it tied mainly to expressways and could inhibit our trips somewhat (time/flexibility). We're all set up with a Level 2 charger in the garage with separately-metered off-peak charging so a PHEV or BEV at home is no issue.. I am still able to lease management cars from Ford which is the easy way to go but of course the Mach E won't be available, at least initially. I really want to see the details on the Corsair PHEV next spring. With AWD and a decent electric range, that could actually fit the bill nicely. You're also correct that there are going to be a lot more choices in a few years. As the supply infrastructure is built up, the value proposition will improve. Batteries will improve in range and charging speed and, combined with more charging infrastructure, longer trips won't be a concern. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurgeh Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Assimilator said: I actually just cancelled my pre-order yesterday, they make it very easy online to do so. I'm impressed by how well they are handling that aspect of the car. A big reason is that I just lost the urgency to jump onboard first since Ford is so inexperienced in this segment, the ongoing Explorer/Aviator debacle doesn't inspire any confidence in their ability to fully bake and build something this new at launch. I'm just hoping Lincoln has something in 2022 when my lease is up on the Nautilus, which is something I would be more interested in anyway. This also gives Ford some time to figure out how to make these things and perfect the new tech and features in them. If your Nautilus lease isn't up until 2022 (same time my Naut lease is up), this makes sense in terms of your timing. I believe Lincoln should be coming out with two BEVs (one the mid-sized crossover Ford and Lincoln are developing in parallel and the other one probably a more expensive model derived from the Rivian platform) about that time (MY2022 or 2023, but definitely something out by CY2022), as well as the Nautilus redesign which should also have a PHEV configuration. I'll be looking at those three vehicles for when my current lease is up. You'll have options to choose from and Ford should have worked its way up the BEV learning curve from two years of MME production, sales and servicing. Edited December 19, 2019 by Gurgeh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 I was listening to Autoline Daily for today, and they mentioned the Cuautitlan plant will make ONLY Mach E? Is that true? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Assimilator Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 (edited) Lincoln does have a midsize BEV arriving for MY 2023, so it should be hitting shelves about this time in 3 years. That timing isn't great for me since the lease ends in July and I'm sure we won't see it available to buy until closer to the end of the year so I'm looking at lots of lease extensions if I want it. There is also the Rivian tie-in, although I'm assuming that's above my price range. Either way, if you don't mind waiting, things are only going to get better. The Mexico plants are getting a TON of products to fill them up, so Mach E won't be the only product they make. I suspect they will also be getting the Midsize BEVs which were originally planned for FlatRock. But we also have the NG Transit Connect, Bronco Scout, Compact Pickup, and White-Space Crossover coming out of those two plants. Those two Mexico plants account for all of the new nameplates and segments Ford is entering in the next few years. Edited December 19, 2019 by Assimilator 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02MustangGT Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Details on A/Z/D/X plan pricing: https://www.motor1.com/news/389167/mustang-mach-e-advertised-below-msrp/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 Here are some stats on the pre-orders from Ford: https://www.autoblog.com/2019/12/30/2021-ford-mustang-mach-e-pre-order-stats-facts/ 80% of pre orders opted for the long range battery (300 miles RWD; 270 AWD) - I'm not surprised by this 55% opted for AWD 30% were for the GT 25% of orders were from California Colors: 38% were for Carbonized gray 35% for Grabber Blue 27% for Rapid Red Those color numbers don't make sense because they add up to 100, and there were other colors like white and black available, and I doubt there are zero of each of those. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullynd Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 I did white. I am tempted to switch to red. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twin Turbo Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 And yet they won't state how many actual pre-orders that represents. 10,000? 1000? 100? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novanglus Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Twin Turbo said: And yet they won't state how many actual pre-orders that represents. 10,000? 1000? 100? ...well, I’d guess that they aren’t mind-bending or they would. You can find the reason why all over the internet on boards just like this one with people crapping all over EVs without ever having lived with one. I don’t know of a single person who bought an EV who went back to ICE. Ford has begun the media work to change the minds they helped set-up to distrust EVs in the first place. I own a TM3P. I also have a reservation on the Mach. I want to see Ford succeed, here, because despite protestations, the EV market is the future. If Ford fans would step up and try one out, they’d find out how great living with one can be...and they’d help their company transition into the new marketplace. It is kind of telling Ford’s own employees won’t eat their own food and points to how ingrained anti-EV sentiment is within the company. Edited December 31, 2019 by novanglus 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullynd Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 I have a deposit in. It doesn’t really seem to do much. There’s uncertainty on price, ordering process. Ford hasn’t really said much about how this will be different than ordering any other Ford. What does the $500 get me? A place in line? It hasn’t really said, has it? Are they being allocated to certain states first? If someone put a deposit down after me, but lives in CA could they get their car before me? I think they could have done a lot more to “sell” the benefits of placing a deposit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackinaw Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Mach E buyers who reserved a model may find this interesting. https://www.autonews.com/retail/ford-says-reservations-full-high-end-version-electric-mustang-mach-e?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&utm_term=automotive news&utm_content=55bbf6a0-5714-4bf7-9366-34425b7254d3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 2 hours ago, novanglus said: It is kind of telling Ford’s own employees won’t eat their own food and points to how ingrained anti-EV sentiment is within the company. This is not just a Ford thing. All of the legacy automakers have the same problem, clinging to the ICE age. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackinaw Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 2 hours ago, rperez817 said: This is not just a Ford thing. All of the legacy automakers have the same problem, clinging to the ICE age. An ICE age that shows no signs of thawing any time soon. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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