Harley Lover Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 (edited) A tragedy for the couple involved. It's early in this story, but there are a few facts already known: Quote Indiana police are investigating a fatal crash involving a Tesla car that rear-ended a fire truck parked along Interstate 70, killing an Arizona woman and seriously injuring her husband. Derrick N. Monet, 25, of Prescott Valley, Arizona, was behind the wheel of a 2019 Tesla traveling along I-70 in western Indiana’s Putnam County when he failed to the see the parked fire truck Sunday morning and plowed into its rear, said Sgt. Matt Ames with Indiana State Police. Both Monet and his wife, Jenna N. Monet, 23, also of Prescott Valley, Arizona, were seriously injured. Jenna Monet was later pronounced dead at a Terre Haute hospital. Police said the Cloverdale Fire Department fire truck was parked along the highway, its emergency lights activated while responding to a single-vehicle crash, when Sunday’s collision occurred, police said. Ames said Derrick Monet told investigators he regularly uses his Tesla’s autopilot mode, but that “due to the impact of the accident he cannot recall whether or not he had it on at the time of the accident.” Edited December 31, 2019 by Harley Lover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harley Lover Posted December 31, 2019 Author Share Posted December 31, 2019 The implications are obvious. If Autopilot was in use, here we go again. If not, what sort of braking tech does Telsa have? If this was an accident that the Tesla should have prevented, what went wrong? https://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/2019/12/30/telsa-rear-ends-fire-truck-indiana-killing-arizona-woman/40911551/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stampede.Offroad Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 As counter intuitive as it sounds, the kind of sensors used to manage the tracking of other moving vehicles on the road are terrible at detecting stationary objects like fire trucks and concrete barricades ... which is why these vehicles on autopilot keep smashing into such things while the driver is doing whatever negligent thing removed their attention from actually being a responsible operator. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 8 minutes ago, Stampede.Offroad said: As counter intuitive as it sounds, the kind of sensors used to manage the tracking of other moving vehicles on the road are terrible at detecting stationary objects like fire trucks and concrete barricades ... which is why these vehicles on autopilot keep smashing into such things while the driver is doing whatever negligent thing removed their attention from actually being a responsible operator. Part of the blame has to be on Tesla. They keep advertising the system as self driving when it's really not. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blwnsmoke Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 I just do not understand how this happens.. huge ass truck with these. Right flashing red lights on that you see from a good distance away. Your vehicle does not see it, does not start to slow down but how do YOU not notice you are not slowing down or moving away (to the side) from it. Unless you are staring at your phone, reading a book or sleeping, I do not understand how the operator is not taking over and avoiding this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Usually an impaired driver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullynd Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 4 minutes ago, akirby said: Usually an impaired driver. Or distracted. “Why not read Harry Potter while the car drives”. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 43 minutes ago, sullynd said: Or distracted. “Why not read Harry Potter while the car drives”. There is a guy on the Edge forum that wants to put in a larger tablet display so his passenger can watch movies. As if he wouldn’t be tempted to watch it too. There is a reason it’s illegal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stampede.Offroad Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 11 hours ago, fuzzymoomoo said: Part of the blame has to be on Tesla. They keep advertising the system as self driving when it's really not. The very name of the system "Autopilot" encourages overconfidence. It will be a long time before anything truly worthy of that kind of name is available for regular automobiles -- like decades, if we're lucky. I really don't think people understand what an enormous amount of information their unconscious brain is tracking while doing even a basic physical task like driving in a straight line. It is no small task to build a suite of sensors capable of replicating that for a variable environment like a roadway. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trailhiker Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 (edited) And now a second Tesla deadly crash in a week. This time in California. Would any other manufacturer be issuing a recall by now? Something might be wrong with the sensors whether autopilot is on or not. They need to put a big fat red sticker on the steering wheel to warn people that they still need to drive the car. Edited January 2, 2020 by Trailhiker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
probowler Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 2 hours ago, Trailhiker said: And now a second Tesla deadly crash in a week. This time in California. Would any other manufacturer be issuing a recall by now? Something might be wrong with the sensors whether autopilot is on or not. They need to put a big fat red sticker on the steering wheel to warn people that they still need to drive the car. At that point, why even have this feature? The false sense of security afforded by this feature far too often results in people forgetting about the road. TBF, this is only 2 cases we're talking about... But it is a little concerning, especially as this technology becomes more widespread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Assimilator Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Tesla is reckless about ensuring driver attentiveness, I believe this is something that may need government oversight to ensure the automakers are playing by consistent rules. Most automakers with their business and reputation on the line don't need regulation on this tech to know that their systems need to factor in driver-attentiveness. It's one of the reasons Ford has CoPilot 360 2 with a face-tracking attention monitor, not just a steering input monitor which is what Tesla exclusively relies on. Tesla believes that one day all of that will be irrelevant, but that day is NOT today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurgeh Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 "Three crashes involving Teslas that killed three people have increased scrutiny of the company's Autopilot driving system, just months before CEO Elon Musk has planned to put fully self-driving cars on the streets. On Sunday, a Tesla Model S sedan left a freeway in Gardena, Calif., at high speed, ran a red light and struck a Honda Civic, killing two people inside, police said. On the same day, a Tesla Model 3 hit a parked firetruck on an Indiana freeway, killing a passenger in the Tesla. Back on Dec. 7, a Model 3 struck a police cruiser on a Connecticut highway, though no one was hurt. The special crash investigation unit of the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) is looking into the California crash. The agency hasn't decided whether its special-crash unit will review the crash that occurred Sunday near Terre Haute, Ind. ..." "Tesla plans to use the same cameras and radar sensors, though with a more powerful computer, in its fully self-driving vehicles. Critics question whether those cars will be able to drive themselves safely without putting other motorists in danger. ... In April, Musk said he expected to start converting the company's electric cars to fully self-driving vehicles in 2020 to create a network of robotic taxis to compete against Uber and other ride-hailing services." -------------------- I suggest not holding one's breath about Tesla starting to put self-driving autopilot cars on the road later this year. https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/tesla-s-self-driving-autopilot-system-under-scrutiny-1.5413931 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HotRunrGuy Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Gurgeh said: "Three crashes involving Teslas that killed three people have increased scrutiny of the company's Autopilot driving system, just months before CEO Elon Musk has planned to put fully self-driving cars on the streets. I suggest not holding one's breath about Tesla starting to put self-driving autopilot cars on the road later this year. https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/tesla-s-self-driving-autopilot-system-under-scrutiny-1.5413931 Maybe this is where the Insurance companies need to step-in and mandate in-car cameras monitoring the drivers (while using the auto-pilot)? Or at least raise the rates so high after a claim that people take self-responsibility a lot more seriously? HRG Edited January 3, 2020 by HotRunrGuy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 5 minutes ago, HotRunrGuy said: Or at least raise the rates so high after a claim that people take self-responsibility a lot more seriously? If that was effective, people would take getting a DUI more seriously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trailhiker Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 I see now they are touting an update to detect things falling off trucks like flying hammers. I am sure this would come in handy if Thor ever got upset at a Tesla, but I would prefer they would update it to detect firetrucks. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Trailhiker said: I see now they are touting an update to detect things falling off trucks like flying hammers. I am sure this would come in handy if Thor ever got upset at a Tesla, but I would prefer they would update it to detect firetrucks. Maybe Elon can come up with Star Trek-esque deflector shield tech to protect the car from collision. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sho94_2000 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 Tesla should not be allowed to sell any car with this software. It clearly does not work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 8 minutes ago, sho94_2000 said: Tesla should not be allowed to sell any car with this software. It clearly does not work. It's not necessarily the software itself. Flawed as it is, it works as designed. They should not be allowed to sell it as a full self driving system because it's not, and people need to stop treating it as such. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snooter Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 All well and good...rest assured mach e (and whoever else follows) will have similar system and then it will be embraced ... only reason tesla gets railed on is because that have been become relevant and soon will be competition for whats left in detroit....its going to be comical pulling cars out of creek beds cause earlier that day the township removed a culvert....i do advise of caution here until facts are reported.. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 2 hours ago, snooter said: ....i do advise of caution here until facts are reported.. You? Advising caution and waiting for facts??? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snooter Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 Personal attack..where are the mods??....mah feels hurt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
probowler Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 1 hour ago, snooter said: Personal attack..where are the mods??....mah feels hurt It's only a personal attack when you hurt the mods feels 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blwnsmoke Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 8 hours ago, snooter said: All well and good...rest assured mach e (and whoever else follows) will have similar system and then it will be embraced ... only reason tesla gets railed on is because that have been become relevant and soon will be competition for whats left in detroit....its going to be comical pulling cars out of creek beds cause earlier that day the township removed a culvert....i do advise of caution here until facts are reported.. That's not why tesla gets railed on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mlhm5 Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 On 1/1/2020 at 5:58 PM, akirby said: Usually an impaired driver. Texting no doubt. I see it all the time. It is scary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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