rmc523 Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 For discussion purposes/fun: the "grille" is a faux one with the reverse of the Aviator concept - where the small star shapes are punched out and fade as they get further out/up. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 58 minutes ago, akirby said: The only thing that was unique outside the sheetmetal was the bracing needed for the convertible top. Um, what else were those fenders used on? What about that deck lid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 8 minutes ago, fuzzymoomoo said: Um, what else were those fenders used on? What about that deck lid? He agreed with you. The sheetmetal was unique, but underneath was similar/the same aside from bracing for the top. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 22 minutes ago, fuzzymoomoo said: Um, what else were those fenders used on? What about that deck lid? I said "outside of the sheet metal"..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 I missed that part Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarneyFord Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 Something like this is my guess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellanca Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 Let’s hope not, the Bentayga isn’t winning any beauty prizes; beautiful interior though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 42 minutes ago, Bellanca said: Let’s hope not, the Bentayga isn’t winning any beauty prizes; beautiful interior though. Yes,the overall shape kinda reminds me of MKT..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jpd80 Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 1 hour ago, barney9014 said: perhaps the MKT Concept? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 20 hours ago, PREMiERdrum said: This very well should become the halo for the entire company. A testament to what American ingenuity can accomplish when fully believed in. Based on the team that's working on this and the resources they've been given, this will be a gamechanger. That is great to hear. And more reason to believe that the 2020s decade will mark the renaissance of American luxury car brands. Tesla + Lincoln/Rivian + Cadillac together is going to give the European and Asian brands a major assault in the coming years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 I’m still of the option that the T-bird influenced the S197 Mustang more then people want to admit. Yes the S197 Mustang is it’s own bespoke platform, but that platform had more roots to the T-bird then the LS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 3 minutes ago, silvrsvt said: I’m still of the option that the T-bird influenced the S197 Mustang more then people want to admit. Yes the S197 Mustang is it’s own bespoke platform, but that platform had more roots to the T-bird then the LS. That was discussed with HTT a few years ago. They started with DEW98 but by the time they finished all that remained was the floor pan and fuel pumps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 3 hours ago, rperez817 said: That is great to hear. And more reason to believe that the 2020s decade will mark the renaissance of American luxury car brands. Tesla + Lincoln/Rivian + Cadillac together is going to give the European and Asian brands a major assault in the coming years. I would take Cadillac out of that discussion. They still can't figure out what the hell they are. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
passis Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 3 hours ago, rperez817 said: That is great to hear. And more reason to believe that the 2020s decade will mark the renaissance of American luxury car brands. Tesla + Lincoln/Rivian + Cadillac together is going to give the European and Asian brands a major assault in the coming years. It seems that European and Asian counterparts will still have more international presence, which is a shame for the American brands and consumers worldwide. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 8 minutes ago, passis said: It seems that European and Asian counterparts will still have more international presence, which is a shame for the American brands and consumers worldwide. That's true. International markets are a challenge for sure. On the positive side, all 3 of the American luxury brands (Lincoln, Cadillac, Tesla) are undergoing expansion in China. And Tesla is growing fast in the European market. In December 2019, Tesla Model 3 was the 3rd best selling car in Europe. Maybe as Lincoln and Cadillac improve their reputation in the U.S. and China with their new electrified vehicle lineups, they'll eventually be able to crack the European market too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
passis Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, rperez817 said: That's true. International markets are a challenge for sure. On the positive side, all 3 of the American luxury brands (Lincoln, Cadillac, Tesla) are undergoing expansion in China. And Tesla is growing fast in the European market. In December 2019, Tesla Model 3 was the 3rd best selling car in Europe. Maybe as Lincoln and Cadillac improve their reputation in the U.S. and China with their new electrified vehicle lineups, they'll eventually be able to crack the European market too. Hopefully. Maybe there's a chance of that happening, as some German brands do not seem too advanced on flexible EV-oriented platforms (maybe only VW/Audi as notable exception). [As far as I know the others are just electrifying ICE platforms and results are not extremely exciting, e.g. the i3] PS: Not very realistic but would love to see these brands on Brazilian streets. Ford needs a shake up here before that, though... Edited January 31, 2020 by passis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbone Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 On 1/30/2020 at 5:33 PM, barney9014 said: Something like this is my guess Please no! My eyes, my eyes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullynd Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 Someone on another forum I’m on brought this up, and I was surprised it hadn’t occurred to me before. A big issue Tesla has had with its growth is servicing vehicles as their sales grew. What will Rivian do? With Ford (or at least Lincoln) offering a Rivian based vehicle, could they just outsource service to Ford? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 1 hour ago, sullynd said: With Ford (or at least Lincoln) offering a Rivian based vehicle, could they just outsource service to Ford? That's been my assumption since the deal was announced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 1 hour ago, sullynd said: With Ford (or at least Lincoln) offering a Rivian based vehicle, could they just outsource service to Ford? That's been my assumption since the deal was announced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mlhm5 Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 Tesla says they cannot meet the demand for the Cybertruck for 3-4 years which means there is a lot of pent up demand for an electric truck. Tesla says they are manufacturing constrained by battery production. They say they do not have enough to supply the 3 and the Y plus either the semi or Cybertruck. If Tesla cannot keep with the battery demand and is rapidly expanding its battery production, and they are right about the pent up demand for an electric truck how will Ford keep up with batteries if the Rivan demand is very high? Ford says only 50K Mach E's will be built the first year (because of demand or battery supply??). Ford says they will not get into the battery manufacturing business and both the Mercedes and BMW BEVs were/are delayed due to battery supply. Pretty obvious battery manufacturers currently cannot keep up. VW has stated they will build their own and 1/4 of all the cars they sell in 2025 will be electric.No question VW is all in, because of "dieselgate". So what is going on at Ford? Are they serious or are BEVs just a line extension? Too early to tell or does someone know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
passis Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 (edited) I think VW is right producing their own battery packs. I don't know why most are leaving such a key part of the process on the hands of third parties. Edited February 8, 2020 by passis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackinaw Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 1 hour ago, mlhm5 said: Tesla says they cannot meet the demand for the Cybertruck for 3-4 years which means there is a lot of pent up demand for an electric truck..... They can't keep up with demand for a truck that is not even in production? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, mlhm5 said: Tesla says they cannot meet the demand for the Cybertruck for 3-4 years which means there is a lot of pent up demand for an electric truck. Tesla says they are manufacturing constrained by battery production. They say they do not have enough to supply the 3 and the Y plus either the semi or Cybertruck. If Tesla cannot keep with the battery demand and is rapidly expanding its battery production, and they are right about the pent up demand for an electric truck how will Ford keep up with batteries if the Rivan demand is very high? Ford says only 50K Mach E's will be built the first year (because of demand or battery supply??). Ford says they will not get into the battery manufacturing business and both the Mercedes and BMW BEVs were/are delayed due to battery supply. Pretty obvious battery manufacturers currently cannot keep up. VW has stated they will build their own and 1/4 of all the cars they sell in 2025 will be electric.No question VW is all in, because of "dieselgate". So what is going on at Ford? Are they serious or are BEVs just a line extension? Too early to tell or does someone know? Battery supply is the new oil, it wouldn't surprise me one bit if OPEC started investing heavily in battery production to cover any future losses from reduced sales of oil products. Fords roll out of BEVs is deliberate and governed by battery supply butbunlike Tesla it also has strong profits from ICE sales to carry it through. Edited February 8, 2020 by jpd80 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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