rmc523 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 Placeholder thread for Escalade's full reveal this evening, but these images have leaked ahead of time: It does look nice. Something about the front end doesn't match with the sides though - the front is very angular, while the side seems to be more smooth. The interior looks very nice, though I really have to question why the center console/gear selector area is so high up. It looks like you're going to be in a bath tub. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Label Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 Side view looks like...a Navigator. Still has the inexplicably monstrous tail lights. Grill is more understated again, like the Nav, IMHO. Interior looks a bit nicer than the previous. Wonder if the 3rd row is still not suitable for anyone taller than 5'4" and 135 pounds. I'm sure they will sell a ton of them. Not sure why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 Still not digging those vertical lights. Otherwise not bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Label Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 1 minute ago, akirby said: Still not digging those vertical lights. Otherwise not bad. More succinct than me, but pretty much agree with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-dubz Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 I kinda liked the taillights, but not blacked out like in the picture. The headlights don’t seem in proportion the the rest of the front. Maybe it’s just because I’m not used to seeing horizontal headlights on an Escalade. The interior looks nice from what I can see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-dubz Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 New pics released. That center console looks way too high. Also for being such a large vehicle, it looks like the driver has zero room to spread his legs. When quickly looking through the pics, this angle looks pretty similar to the palisade 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willwll313wll Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 (edited) I don't like the exterior, specifically the weirdly flat front end and bland, cheap looking headlamps... I love some of the details inside and out though. But the 3D surround view camera thingy is cool AF! Edited February 5, 2020 by Willwll313wll Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Label Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 Not much legroom and not much console storage it appears. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Handler Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 The interior is a big improvement. Very inoffensive exterior. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellanca Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 Interior is a nice improvement(I hate the joystick style shifter though); exterior is a bit of a bore to me. All in all on looks alone I think the Navigator is better looking though I have no desire/need for a SUV this large. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
probowler Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 11 minutes ago, Bellanca said: Interior is a nice improvement(I hate the joystick style shifter though); exterior is a bit of a bore to me. All in all on looks alone I think the Navigator is better looking though I have no desire/need for a SUV this large. Aviator? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellanca Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 3 hours ago, probowler said: Aviator? Yes I quite like that, and that’s why I got one just like that 4 months ago. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grbeck Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 Not crazy about the small headlights on that massive front, but it's otherwise okay. I don't see it changing anything regarding the public's perception of Cadillac. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Label Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, grbeck said: Not crazy about the small headlights on that massive front, but it's otherwise okay. I don't see it changing anything regarding the public's perception of Cadillac. They sell a ton of those, so you mean you think they will continue to sella ton and outsell the Navigator? Damn Tony Soprano. I blame him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grbeck Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Black Label said: They sell a ton of those, so you mean you think they will continue to sella ton and outsell the Navigator? Damn Tony Soprano. I blame him. Yes, I think the Escalade will continue to outsell the Navigator. GM's full-size SUVs have a large and generally satisfied audience. Cadillac's problem is with the smaller models. The XT6 and XT5 aren't as compelling as their direct Lincoln competitors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Label Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, grbeck said: Yes, I think the Escalade will continue to outsell the Navigator. GM's full-size SUVs have a large and generally satisfied audience. Cadillac's problem is with the smaller models. The XT6 and XT5 aren't as compelling as their direct Lincoln competitors. I guess there is no accounting for taste. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grbeck Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 17 minutes ago, Black Label said: I guess there is no accounting for taste. Ford didn't comprehensively update the Navigator (and Expedition) for several years before bringing out the current version. GM did more to update the Escalade (and its other full-size SUVs). The Escalade thus built up more brand equity and public awareness during that time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Label Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 1 minute ago, grbeck said: Ford didn't comprehensively update the Navigator (and Expedition) for several years before bringing out the current version. GM did more to update the Escalade (and its other full-size SUVs). The Escalade thus built up more brand equity and public awareness during that time. I completely agree. I'm just saying the new Navigator is so nice that brand loyalty to the Escalade is short sighted IMHO but that's how people are. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted February 5, 2020 Author Share Posted February 5, 2020 It'll be interesting to see what Lincoln does for the refresh. I wonder if they touch the interior, or if they take the recent Ford MO of ignoring the interior and just doing a front end, and a minor taillight change. If it's a bigger change, I could see Lincoln flipping the taillights so that they're flat on top to better match Aviator and Corsair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Label Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 15 minutes ago, rmc523 said: It'll be interesting to see what Lincoln does for the refresh. I wonder if they touch the interior, or if they take the recent Ford MO of ignoring the interior and just doing a front end, and a minor taillight change. If it's a bigger change, I could see Lincoln flipping the taillights so that they're flat on top to better match Aviator and Corsair. Wasn't there a pretty big interior refresh around 2015 on the Navigator? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PREMiERdrum Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 11 minutes ago, Black Label said: Wasn't there a pretty big interior refresh around 2015 on the Navigator? Not a major refresh. The 15-17 Navigators just got new gauges put in the existing cluster and the IP was partially replaced to incorporate the new switchgear (largely the same way it was done on the 2013 Flex). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Label Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, PREMiERdrum said: Not a major refresh. The 15-17 Navigators just got new gauges put in the existing cluster and the IP was partially replaced to incorporate the new switchgear (largely the same way it was done on the 2013 Flex). Oh okay. Admittedly I am not aware fo what other manufacturers do with refreshes vs. redesigns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papilgee4evaeva Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 I generally like Escalades, and this one isn't bad at all. I don't like the narrow horizontal headlights though on such a big vehicle though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted February 5, 2020 Author Share Posted February 5, 2020 1 hour ago, PREMiERdrum said: Not a major refresh. The 15-17 Navigators just got new gauges put in the existing cluster and the IP was partially replaced to incorporate the new switchgear (largely the same way it was done on the 2013 Flex). They also gave it new materials (leather covered dash), but that was about it. 1 hour ago, Black Label said: Oh okay. Admittedly I am not aware of what other manufacturers do with refreshes vs. redesigns. Many manufacturers will give a new dash for a refresh. Ford itself had done that years ago (examples include the Edge/MKX which were new for 2007 and got a new interior for 2011). Sometimes, they'll redo part of a dash. Lately all Ford has done is switch a shifter to the rotary shifter and include a wireless charging pad and nothing else. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grbeck Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 4 hours ago, Black Label said: I completely agree. I'm just saying the new Navigator is so nice that brand loyalty to the Escalade is short sighted IMHO but that's how people are. After seeing the Escalade, I still prefer the Navigator. But I don't have the resources to buy either one, so that ultimately doesn't matter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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