mlhm5 Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 Short answer is they are being forced to. Way back in 2014 when no one was thinking seriously about EVs, the European Union nations agreed in 2014 that carmakers should limit CO2 emissions to 95 grams per kilometer across their entire model range within seven years (by 2021) and failure to do so would result in a huge fine of 95 euros per gram of CO2 over the limit, multiplied by the number of cars sold in 2020 and 2021. This emission level corresponds to fuel consumption of around 4.1 l/100 km of petrol or 57mpg. “…car manufacturers in the EU are not expected to meet the new 95g/km target and could face fines amounting to more than €20 billion in both 2021 and 2022. All major carmakers are expected to miss their respective emissions targets under this new regime.” "The number of EVs on sale in Europe is set to more than triple to at least 200 by 2021, according to a recent report published by Transport and Environment (T&E).” https://autovistagroup.com/news-and-insights/carmakers-face-eu20-billion-fines-exceeding-co2-targets-part-1 https://autovistagroup.com/news-and-insights/carmakers-face-eu20-billion-fines-exceeding-co2-targets-part-2 https://ec.europa.eu/clima/policies/transport/vehicles/cars_en https://europe.autonews.com/automakers/automakers-risk-massive-fines-co2-target-miss-analysts-say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sho94_2000 Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 EVS are a joke and nobody wants them. They are compliance vehicles. Range is not where it needs to be and "refueling" is light years away from where it needs to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mlhm5 Posted March 5, 2020 Author Share Posted March 5, 2020 7 minutes ago, rmc523 said: In Europe, the major oil companies are heavily involved in the charging networks, not so in the USA. https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Shell-Buys-One-Of-Europes-Largest-EV-Charging-Networks.html https://www.treehugger.com/cars/oil-giant-buys-uks-largest-electric-vehicle-charging-network.html https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-07-02/big-oil-utilities-are-lining-up-for-an-electric-vehicle-war Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mlhm5 Posted March 5, 2020 Author Share Posted March 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, sho94_2000 said: EVS are a joke and nobody wants them. They are compliance vehicles. Range is not where it needs to be and "refueling" is light years away from where it needs to be. Tesla has sold 400K Model 3 cars. The big boys never, ever thought EVs would catch on. Now they are playing catch-up and far too slowly. Between China and Freemont Tesla is now producing over 100K model 3s a quarter. No other auto manufacturer has ever build 30K EVs in a single year and even MB and Audi are having problems building 20K EVs. In Europe the oil companies have bought all the major charging networks and traveling in Europe with an EV is going to be a lot easier because of that fact. Here in the US the oil companies are not involved and only Tesla and VW have major charging networks. Ford is not planning to put charging stations at their dealerships AFAIK and they are planning to sell/manufacture 50K Mustang Mach Es by the end of 2021. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sho94_2000 Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, mlhm5 said: Tesla has sold 400K Model 3 cars. The big boys never, ever thought EVs would catch on. Now they are playing catch-up and far too slowly. Between China and Freemont Tesla is now producing over 100K model 3s a quarter. No other auto manufacturer has ever build 30K EVs in a single year and even MB and Audi are having problems building 20K EVs. In Europe the oil companies have bought all the major charging networks and traveling in Europe with an EV is going to be a lot easier because of that fact. Here in the US the oil companies are not involved and only Tesla and VW have major charging networks. Ford is not planning to put charging stations at their dealerships AFAIK and they are planning to sell/manufacture 50K Mustang Mach Es by the end of 2021. You think selling 160,000 vehicles a year (roughly) in a market that sees 15-16 million sales (yearly) is anything to crow about? Especially when you have to sell carbon credits to make a profit because your vehicles cannot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blwnsmoke Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 Thank you for all your googling, links, charts and pictures. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blwnsmoke Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 1 hour ago, sho94_2000 said: You think selling 160,000 vehicles a year (roughly) in a market that sees 15-16 million sales (yearly) is anything to crow about? Especially when you have to sell carbon credits to make a profit because your vehicles cannot? A wise (cough cough, yeah right) person on here once told me, if you are not happy about it, talk to your law makers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 10 minutes ago, blwnsmoke said: A wise (cough cough, yeah right) person on here once told me, if you are not happy about it, talk to your law makers. Coronavirus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 1 hour ago, mlhm5 said: Tesla has sold 400K Model 3 cars. The big boys never, ever thought EVs would catch on. Now they are playing catch-up and far too slowly. The big boys are forced to make a profit to stay in business. They don't have the luxury of a ponzi scheme using carbon credits and future vehicle deposits and new investment capital to subsidize their business. They're entering the market now because it has become profitable thanks to lower battery prices and longer range. And yes they can thank Tesla for some of that. But to suggest they haven't developed EVs like Tesla because they can't is assinine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 And with that we're done here. All mlhm5 is doing now is trolling, posting the same crap over and over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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