silvrsvt Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 4 hours ago, T-dubz said: Having 2 vehicles in this category doesn’t make any sense. Replacing Ecosport with puma might be ok, but from what I’ve heard, it’s more premium so it would cost more. If it cost more, then it would be more expensive then it’s competition and closer to the escape in price. If it stays the same price as the Ecosport, then ford probably wouldn’t be making as much money off it. The Ecosport is brought over purely over as a Focus/Fiesta replacement price wise (while costing more then them) There's been talk of a 3 row CUV based on the B or C class platform being built in Mexico, but Hermosillo is going to be a very busy place with the Bronco Sport, Transit Connect and the expected Compact pickup. Something like that might be a better fit for the US and EU markets then the EcoSport that is made for BRIC countries. Once again, due to the pricing, where does Ford build it to make money? Ford is also seems to be having two-three entries that meet different needs per segment...does this carry over into the low end of the market for the US? For example: Subcompact Sporty: Puma CUV: EcoSport Compact: CUV: Escape/Kuga Tough:Bronco Sport Midsize: CUV:Explorer Tough: Bronco Sporty: Fusion Sportback Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 Subcompact: Fiesta Active /Puma / EcoSport Compact: Focus Active / Escape / Bronco Sport Midsize: Fusion Active / Edge / Bronco Large: Flex ? / Explorer / Everest Fullsize: Expedition Emerging market subcompact: Ka Freestyle Emerging market compact: Territory Emerging market midsize: S350 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-dubz Posted May 5, 2020 Author Share Posted May 5, 2020 I think there’s barely a market for one subcompact, much less 2 or 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 8 hours ago, T-dubz said: CHR - 10k sold, $21,295 base price RAV4 - 97k sold $25,950 base price HRV - 19k sold, $20,820 base price CRV - 71k sold, $25,050 base price Soul - 20k sold, $17,490 base price ecosport - 13k sold, $19,995 base price escape - 48k sold, $24,885 base price Looks like this size vehicle is good for 80-100k units a year. Compared to 200-400k for compact SUVs. Having 2 vehicles in this category doesn’t make any sense. Replacing Ecosport with puma might be ok, but from what I’ve heard, it’s more premium so it would cost more. If it cost more, then it would be more expensive then it’s competition and closer to the escape in price. If it stays the same price as the Ecosport, then ford probably wouldn’t be making as much money off it. Oh, I think Puma should replace EcoSport, not having both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ausrutherford Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 2 hours ago, rmc523 said: Oh, I think Puma should replace EcoSport, not having both. Both can help. Nissan has the Kicks and Qashqai under the Rogue. Chevy has the Trax and Trailblazer under the Nox. Toyota will soon have another crossover under the Rav4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonj80 Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 The Puma is FWD and manual transmission only currently where the ecosport can be had with 4wd, also where the Ecosport is sold it can take more of a beating than you would think of a vehicle it’s size. Not saying the Puma couldn’t be upgraded but that’s even more cost in an already price sensitive market Point. ford can’t build small cars in the EU and sell them and hope for any profit in the US market. It’s challenging enough to build them in an emerging market and sell them for a profit here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, jasonj80 said: The Puma is FWD and manual transmission only currently where the ecosport can be had with 4wd, also where the Ecosport is sold it can take more of a beating than you would think of a vehicle it’s size. Not saying the Puma couldn’t be upgraded but that’s even more cost in an already price sensitive market Point. ford can’t build small cars in the EU and sell them and hope for any profit in the US market. It’s challenging enough to build them in an emerging market and sell them for a profit here. Automatic transmission Puma will be available in Europe and ROW late this year, or at least was before cv-19, Edited May 6, 2020 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 15 hours ago, T-dubz said: I think there’s barely a market for one subcompact, much less 2 or 3. In North America there isn't, but other parts of the world there are. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonj80 Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 9 hours ago, jpd80 said: Automatic transmission Puma will be available in Europe and ROW late this year, or at least was before cv-19, Was odd from the beginning, automatics now make up 50% of the sales in the EU and that number gets higher every year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 I guess the Maverick-based crossover will be our EcoSport replacement here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 2 hours ago, rmc523 said: I guess the Maverick-based crossover will be our EcoSport replacement here. Not sure how that is gonna work when that would be basically an Escape Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 5 minutes ago, silvrsvt said: Not sure how that is gonna work when that would be basically an Escape Should be one size smaller. C2 will have multiple sizes from small C to mid C (Escape, Corsair) and large C (Mondeo/Fusion). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trader 10 Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 47 minutes ago, akirby said: Should be one size smaller. C2 will have multiple sizes from small C to mid C (Escape, Corsair) and large C (Mondeo/Fusion). The large C will also include Edge/Nautilus (as opposed to CD6)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 26 minutes ago, Trader 10 said: The large C will also include Edge/Nautilus (as opposed to CD6)? Yep forgot about those. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snooter Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 Another sport based (plastic and stickers of course) truck...wth...yet this is what we can expect going forward...no cars will bite at some point...asnine management decisions only way i can describe how much of a failure ford has become...i hope it works out for them-not convinced Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FordBuyer Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 I can visualize a Sport version something like my Sport Hybrid that has no chrome, only black and piano black trim. Add in a 2.3L turbo 4cyl. with some racier wheels and suspension parts and I think it would get attention and some sales once the economy starts to improve. However, I can't visualize an ST version that would be far more expensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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