rperez817 Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, silvrsvt said: But your basically parroting their marketing, which why they are so successful, not what they actually are. Subaru is successful because the engineering applied to their vehicles give those products technical advantages unmatched by other automakers. And because Subaru's marketing people do a good job explaining those advantages to both prospective customers and current owners. Edited April 28, 2020 by rperez817 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 Subaru does well because they put dogs in every ad. 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 4 minutes ago, rmc523 said: Subaru does well because they put dogs in every ad. Correct..they are marketing driven. The boxer engine and AWD doesn't mean shit to the typical consumer who doesn't even change their own oil and there are other products that offer AWD that they compete against. IMO their styling isn't anything to write home about. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trader 10 Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 To me, the boxer engine is a minus, not a plus. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 2 hours ago, Trailhiker said: I think it will be a raised Mondeo Wagon with tasteful side cladding. I doubt styling will chnage much. You are assuming there will be a Mondeo wagon. Or a Mondeo sedan. Neither of those things are a done deal. Fusion/Mondeo Active may in fact be a CUV only offering. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullynd Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 12 hours ago, akirby said: I doubt that it shares much of anything with CD4 other than powertrains. Of course the new Edge and Nautilus will also be on C2 in a couple of years so probably depends on timing and how many other vehicles they need to produce at each plant. That should be the advantage of having all of it on C2 - easier to move production around between at least 3 factories (OAC, Hermosillo and Louisville). EUCD was based on C1. C1>C2 EUCD>CD4 OAC built CD3 and D4, then CD4 and D4, which are more different than whatever this ends up being. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 53 minutes ago, sullynd said: EUCD was based on C1. C1>C2 EUCD>CD4 OAC built CD3 and D4, then CD4 and D4, which are more different than whatever this ends up being. I didn’t say they couldn’t build both, but by the time this comes out the new C2 based Edge will be out or at least close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev-Mo Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 On 4/28/2020 at 1:44 PM, rperez817 said: Subaru offers customers a unique value proposition unmatched by any other automotive brand. Its vehicles come standard with boxer engine and symmetrical all-wheel drive (except BRZ), which are not offered by other mainstream brands. Subarus generally have good to excellent ratings in safety and reliability tests, offer lots of features for the money, and are designed to be very user friendly. On top of that, Subaru's U.S. sales and marketing team does a great job building long term relationships with customers. So the loyal following Subaru has isn't unearned. Subaru really does things differently than the rest of the auto industry, and its customers appreciate that. That's why other automakers are unable to "out-Subaru Subaru" as T-dubz said. Yeah all that, but they sure do break down a lot. I know several folks who own one and they say the same: We love the car, but it needs to be repaired much more than expected... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tzach Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 Can someone please tell me how the boxer engine and symmetrical all-wheel drive are unmatched by any other automotive brand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 (edited) 30 minutes ago, tzach said: Can someone please tell me how the boxer engine and symmetrical all-wheel drive are unmatched by any other automotive brand? Yes sir. Boxer engines have pistons that are horizontally opposed. This engine type is balanced because piston movement in one bank of cylinders is countered by the opposite piston movement in the other bank. Boxer engines also have a lower center of mass compared to inline and V engines, which can help improve handling. Subaru's all-wheel-drive system, in which longitudinally mounted boxer engine is an integral part of the design, achieves almost total side-to-side symmetry. This provides better fore, aft, and lateral balance compared to AWD systems that are "add ons" to FWD or RWD. Subaru is the only automaker to employ both of these technologies in production cars. Porsche is the only other automaker that still uses boxer engines. Edited May 1, 2020 by rperez817 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcartwright99 Posted May 1, 2020 Share Posted May 1, 2020 1 hour ago, rperez817 said: Yes sir. Boxer engines have pistons that are horizontally opposed. This engine type is balanced because piston movement in one bank of cylinders is countered by the opposite piston movement in the other bank. Boxer engines also have a lower center of mass compared to inline and V engines, which can help improve handling. Subaru's all-wheel-drive system, in which longitudinally mounted boxer engine is an integral part of the design, achieves almost total side-to-side symmetry. This provides better fore, aft, and lateral balance compared to AWD systems that are "add ons" to FWD or RWD. Subaru is the only automaker to employ both of these technologies in production cars. Porsche is the only other automaker that still uses boxer engines. Just to add. I am almost 100 percent sure that most if not all of their AWD systems have coolers so no differential overheating from using. Something as a Ford AWD owner, I can't say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zipzoomflyfast Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 I honestly hope that Ford...if the Fusion Active (my opinion: should just be called the Fusion - leave off "active") makes it as capable or more capable than the Outback. Also...any idea if there would be a Lincoln version? High priced wagon segment is dominated by the Germans and word on the street is Caddy is about to jump back in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trader 10 Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 Borg is saying over on GMI that the Fusion Active is Europe only. Hope that’s incorrect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pffan1990 Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 28 minutes ago, Trader 10 said: Borg is saying over on GMI that the Fusion Active is Europe only. Hope that’s incorrect. Has Borg/Assimilator left this forum? Haven't seen him post here for awhile. I also hope that the Fusion Active being Europe-only is incorrect as I like the idea of it here. But then again, who knows if there is even a market for it here in the US nowadays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackinaw Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 10 minutes ago, pffan1990 said: Has Borg/Assimilator left this forum? Haven't seen him post here for awhile. I also hope that the Fusion Active being Europe-only is incorrect as I like the idea of it here. But then again, who knows if there is even a market for it here in the US nowadays. Haven't seen him in awhile, but he's prone to the occasional tantrum and exits this forum when we hurt his feelings. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 47 minutes ago, pffan1990 said: Has Borg/Assimilator left this forum? Haven't seen him post here for awhile. I also hope that the Fusion Active being Europe-only is incorrect as I like the idea of it here. But then again, who knows if there is even a market for it here in the US nowadays. As mackinaw said, he'll reappear from time to time, and while a lot of his info is good/informative/right, sometimes it's incorrect (nobody can be right 100% of the time) and when that's pointed out, he'll leave for a while and then reappear months later. He's also saying the US won't get the next gen Ranger until 2024? Which seems rather far off. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 36 minutes ago, mackinaw said: Haven't seen him in awhile, but he's prone to the occasional tantrum and exits this forum when we hurt his feelings. He never said anything this last time, just disappeared. He’ll be back when he thinks he has some juicy inside info to impress us with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 18 minutes ago, akirby said: He never said anything this last time, just disappeared. He’ll be back when he thinks he has some juicy inside info to impress us with. I actually do enjoy having him around, as even if the info isn't always correct, it gives us more to discuss. The problem lies with when there's any sort of disagreement or alternate viewpoint with him/the info, it's the end of the world and means he decides to leave. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 57 minutes ago, rmc523 said: He's also saying the US won't get the next gen Ranger until 2024? Which seems rather far off. Rumors were it was supposed to be 2023, but with the forced shutdown it wouldn't shock me if it (along with pretty much EVERYTHING) was pushed back at least 6 months to a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FordBuyer Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 On 5/1/2020 at 4:10 PM, rperez817 said: Yes sir. Boxer engines have pistons that are horizontally opposed. This engine type is balanced because piston movement in one bank of cylinders is countered by the opposite piston movement in the other bank. Boxer engines also have a lower center of mass compared to inline and V engines, which can help improve handling. Subaru's all-wheel-drive system, in which longitudinally mounted boxer engine is an integral part of the design, achieves almost total side-to-side symmetry. This provides better fore, aft, and lateral balance compared to AWD systems that are "add ons" to FWD or RWD. Subaru is the only automaker to employ both of these technologies in production cars. Porsche is the only other automaker that still uses boxer engines. My last two vehicles had Boxer engines....a Porsche Boxster with 2.7L flat 6 and a Crosstrek with 2.0L 4 cylinder. Only Advantage I saw and felt was the lower center of gravity and the wonderful sounds of the Porsche flat 6 over 4,000 RPM. Reliability very so so and would have been worried about the head gasket on the Subaru if I had kept it and approached 70,000 miles or so. For me, it's the wonderful Symetrical AWD that makes the Subaru worth a consideration. However, there lack of technology is starting to hurt them IMO. Not much in turbo engines and the plug-in Crosstrek is an overpriced disappointment. I found the infotainment in mine nonintuitive and placed too low. The system in my Escape is placed much higher and much easier to use and keep eyes on road. Add in the hybrid and very little loss of cargo space and the Crosstrek becomes uncompetitive going forward IMO. A Crosstrek Limited will run $30,000+ and very easy to get the Forester and Outback up to $40,000+ without even trying. And Subaru dealers often do "dealer markup adjustments" and very little in incentives. Guess they will use Toyota to add hybrid models, but if the Crosstrek plugin is an example....then good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-dubz Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 42 minutes ago, rmc523 said: I actually do enjoy having him around, as even if the info isn't always correct, it gives us more to discuss. The problem lies with when there's any sort of disagreement or alternate viewpoint with him/the info, it's the end of the world and means he decides to leave. I enjoyed his contributions too. It was nice to get a bit of “insider” info every now and again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 4 minutes ago, T-dubz said: It was nice to get a bit of “insider” info every now and again. The thing is that often was regurgitated info Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trader 10 Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 Maybe PREMiERdrum can tell us if the Fusion will be sold in North America. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PREMiERdrum Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 BORG has 2 (that I know of) well-placed sources. His info on Ranger is right. His info on Fusion Active (or "Fusion" as we'll likely know it) is wrong.... unless this decision is less than 48 hours old. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 1 hour ago, rmc523 said: it's the end of the world and means he decides to leave. get his panties in a wad, pout, take his ball and go home. FTFY 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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