mackinaw Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 You don't need to read the article, the headline says it all. A victim of the Coronavirus. Lincoln may cooperate with Rivian in the future, but not now. https://www.autonews.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackinaw Posted April 28, 2020 Author Share Posted April 28, 2020 More: https://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/ford/2020/04/28/lincoln-cancels-plan-develop-ev-rivian-coronavirus/3042517001/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trailhiker Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 Yeah, I figured. Too much to think about once production and dealerships reopen. Ford will not be the only one to cancel or postpone plans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 (edited) Covid-19 related delay in restarting Rivian's plant operations contributed to this decision, but it's probably not the only reason for it. I hope this decision doesn't mean that Ford is pulling back on BEV development for Lincoln, or on its partnership with Rivian overall. Edited April 28, 2020 by rperez817 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zipzoomflyfast Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 Dang! I was really hoping for a Rivian based Lincoln! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackinaw Posted April 28, 2020 Author Share Posted April 28, 2020 42 minutes ago, Trailhiker said: Yeah, I figured. Too much to think about once production and dealerships reopen. Ford will not be the only one to cancel or postpone plans. Most certainly. You just can't lose 600+million dollars in the first quarter, and maybe as much as 5 billion(!) in the second quarter and expect product plans not to change. The low hanging fruit goes first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 25 minutes ago, mackinaw said: The low hanging fruit goes first. Yes sir, that makes sense. Ford needs to be careful not to destroy the orchard as they pick the low hanging fruit. Electrified vehicles especially BEV are a big part of Lincoln's brand renaissance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 In the grand scheme of things a 80-100K BEV isn't practical for Lincoln right now and all the other issues Ford is facing, its the best course of action short term. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 55 minutes ago, silvrsvt said: In the grand scheme of things a 80-100K BEV isn't practical for Lincoln right now and all the other issues Ford is facing, its the best course of action short term. Exactly. I have a feeling a lot of projects like that are going to be put on ice for the foreseeable future, especially with oil prices tanking. I doubt the get cancelled outright though. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twintornados Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 https://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/ford/2020/04/28/lincoln-cancels-plan-develop-ev-rivian-coronavirus/3042517001/ Quote "Lincoln essentially has decided that it was going to take its own approach to electrification, but it remains fully committed to electrification for Lincoln customers," Ford Chief Financial Officer Tim Stone said during a conference call Tuesday. Translation= We have a BEV chassis already in the FoMoCo stable and we can use that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 12 hours ago, fuzzymoomoo said: Exactly. I have a feeling a lot of projects like that are going to be put on ice for the foreseeable future, especially with oil prices tanking. I doubt the get cancelled outright though. While I think the future of EVs is still there and depending on price of oil (which is artificially low due to the globe more or less being shut down), we might see a spike in prices once demand comes back...but that partly dependent on how much of glut we have to go through. Plus how many of them where they planning on selling? 5-10K a year? Not exactly a profit center that way either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 2 hours ago, twintornados said: https://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/ford/2020/04/28/lincoln-cancels-plan-develop-ev-rivian-coronavirus/3042517001/ Translation= We have a BEV chassis already in the FoMoCo stable and we can use that. Cheaper to reskin the Mach E or they are talking about the BEV CUV mid sizer which might just be a 3 row Mach E anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 51 minutes ago, silvrsvt said: Cheaper to reskin the Mach E or they are talking about the BEV CUV mid sizer which might just be a 3 row Mach E anyways. This. They were already working on that without Rivian. It’s not worth building a large Bev platform on your own just for a few thousand units a year even if it is an expensive flagship. There may have also been resource issues on the Rivian side. It could change next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullynd Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 I wonder if it didn’t prove easier to apply BEV F150 knowledge/powertrain to Expedition/Navigator. I also wonder if it means something about the viability of Rivian in general. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying68 Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 I think it is more the realization that having a Lincoln SUV and Rivian SUV built on the same chassis was kind of pointless. One would inevitably cannibalize the other. Lincoln would be better suited getting a Mach E based product first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackinaw Posted April 29, 2020 Author Share Posted April 29, 2020 Remember that Ford pumped $500 million dollars into Rivian, so they will want something back on that investment at some point. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 43 minutes ago, Flying68 said: I think it is more the realization that having a Lincoln SUV and Rivian SUV built on the same chassis was kind of pointless. One would inevitably cannibalize the other. Lincoln would be better suited getting a Mach E based product first. Rivian was building a more mainstream SUV. The Lincoln version would be a flagship Continental replacement and a lot more luxurious/expensive. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullynd Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 38 minutes ago, akirby said: Rivian was building a more mainstream SUV. The Lincoln version would be a flagship Continental replacement and a lot more luxurious/expensive. Given the price I don’t think you could argue that the Rivian SUV is anything but a luxury vehicle. I don’t think Lincoln could justify a higher price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 1 hour ago, sullynd said: Given the price I don’t think you could argue that the Rivian SUV is anything but a luxury vehicle. I don’t think Lincoln could justify a higher price. Remember I was in a focus group for Rivian truck and suv and I didn't see mention anything close to the luxury features that you see in an Aviator or Navigator or Continental. It was more along the lines of a Ford Titanium or entry level Lincoln product. The high cost is mostly in the batteries and multiple motors and software. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rampagex7 Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 It's unfortunate, I was hoping for the Lincoln/Rivian SUV to be ready in three years when my lease is up on my Aviator. Hopefully if things improve down the road they will reconsider a Rivian partnered project, but I agree it makes sense that they just use what they already have in the works now for the Mach E to create a rebadged Lincoln BEV (hopefully with sufficient upgrades to justify it as a Lincoln). My company has two Mach E's on order so at least I'll get to try it out before the Lincoln version comes out to see if it's worth it. Otherwise I might go directly for the Rivian R1S or R1T as my next vehicle after the Aviator as I need something with decent tow capacity to haul the boat and I doubt the Mach E or future Lincoln variant will cut it for towing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rampagex7 Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 7 hours ago, sullynd said: Given the price I don’t think you could argue that the Rivian SUV is anything but a luxury vehicle. I don’t think Lincoln could justify a higher price. Regardless of the price, I would call it a luxury SUV the interior and exterior are both really nice and look upscale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 7 minutes ago, rampagex7 said: Regardless of the price, I would call it a luxury SUV the interior and exterior are both really nice and look upscale. Not saying it’s not a luxury vehicle, but the Lincoln flagship would have been more luxurious and much more expensive and would not have been competing directly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullynd Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 1 minute ago, akirby said: Not saying it’s not a luxury vehicle, but the Lincoln flagship would have been more luxurious and much more expensive and would not have been competing directly. The Rivian starts at $73k. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 7 minutes ago, sullynd said: The Rivian starts at $73k. And the Lincoln would probably start closer to $100k. This was a one off Lincoln exclusive flagship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willwll313wll Posted April 30, 2020 Share Posted April 30, 2020 Does anyone have any inside info on this? Is COVID the actual reason? Any chance that it'll get rebooted? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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