T-dubz Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 https://www.motor1.com/news/423753/2021-toyota-venza-first-look/ https://autos.yahoo.com/toyota-venza-returns-2021-two-150000898.html The new venza will be a hybrid only model, with projected 40 mpg combined. The yahoo article mentions this is slightly larger than the rav4 even though they share the same wheelbase. The interior looks pretty nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 It looks good, though the back is an E-Pace ripoff: 44 minutes ago, T-dubz said: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbone Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 That is completely unappealing. I’m not really sure what the point of this vehicle is in respect to their lineup. At least it has a big screen, although I prefer the portrait orientation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, tbone said: That is completely unappealing. I’m not really sure what the point of this vehicle is in respect to their lineup. At least it has a big screen, although I prefer the portrait orientation. With Highlander continually growing into an Explorer competitor, they had a hole in the middle of their lineup between Rav-4 and Highlander, so this slots in as their Edge/Passport/Blazer competitor, but they made it hybrid only. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harley Lover Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 (edited) This appears to be essentially the 'Toyota RX 350', which makes sense. Edit: Just saw the factoid that it's slightly larger than the RAV4, so perhaps that should be 'Toyota NX250'. Edited May 18, 2020 by Harley Lover 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-dubz Posted May 18, 2020 Author Share Posted May 18, 2020 I don’t think it’s bad, but it does look a bit dated to me. It reminds me of an older Lexus like Harley said. Its basically a copy of the Toyota harrier from the Japanese market. I think this will do well with the older crowd. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadManMoon Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 It looks a bit derivative of the Honda in the nose/grille - especially the CR-V/Accord - but I think this is the nicest-looking Toyota SUV I've seen since the mid-2000s Highlander. Much less busy than the rest of the current lineup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 2 hours ago, T-dubz said: Its basically a copy of the Toyota harrier from the Japanese market. Yes sir, thank you T-dubz. Unlike the previous Venza which was an American car (design, engineering, and assembly all took place in the U.S.), the new Venza is a rebadged Harrier and will be imported from Japan. JDM Harrier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Harley Lover said: This appears to be essentially the 'Toyota RX 350', which makes sense. Edit: Just saw the factoid that it's slightly larger than the RAV4, so perhaps that should be 'Toyota NX250'. The first two generations of Harrier was rebadged as RX in the US. The 2nd gen Harrier was replaced in Japan and parts of Asia by Vanguard, which was rebadged as RAV4 in the US (different than the rest of the world RAV4). Vanguard was in turn replaced by 3rd gen Harrier in 2013, which is based on 4th gen RAV4 platform (as well as NX). 4th gen Harrier is still based on RAV4 and now will be rebadged as Venza for the US market. The chronological timeline of this model series: 1998-2003 1st gen Harrier = rebadged as RX 2003-2008 2nd gen Harrier = rebadged as RX 2008-2013 Vanguard = rebadged as RAV4 in North America 2013-2020 3rd gen Harrier = not rebadged although based on RAV4 2020- 4th gen Harrier = rebadged as Venza in North America Think of Venza and RAV4 as Escape and Bronco Sport and you get the idea. Ford better get its act together or Toyota is going to clean Ford's clock soon in the compact SUV segment. Edited May 18, 2020 by bzcat 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, rmc523 said: It looks good, though the back is an E-Pace ripoff: Actually E-Pace ripped off Harrier. This was the previous 3rd gen Harrier which came out in 2013 before Jaguar. You can see the new 4th gen was just an incremental evolution. 3rd gen Harrier 4th gen Harrier/2nd gen Venza Edited May 18, 2020 by bzcat 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-dubz Posted May 18, 2020 Author Share Posted May 18, 2020 2 hours ago, bzcat said: Think of Venza and RAV4 as Escape and Bronco Sport and you get the idea. Ford better get its act together or Toyota is going to clean Ford's clock soon in the compact SUV segment. I was kinda thinking this too, but they chose to go a more premium route, kinda like the mariner and escape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dequindre Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 It looks like a bit like the new Escape in the profile, and a bit Velar in the rear 3/4 view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atomcat68 Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 I am disappointed. I liked the look of the first generation and this one disappears in the "sea of Utilities". The interior is nice though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
probowler Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 That is such an unattractive shape. Crossover people and toytota owners will probably love it though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
probowler Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 51 minutes ago, atomcat68 said: I am disappointed. I liked the look of the first generation and this one disappears in the "sea of Utilities". The interior is nice though. I don't believe anyone buys a crossover to standout or showoff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 (edited) 19 hours ago, T-dubz said: I was kinda thinking this too, but they chose to go a more premium route, kinda like the mariner and escape. Right... Venza is more like semi-lux RAV4 than it is Escape. But the two-CUV strategy is the same. They just have a slightly different take on how to divide the market. Actually Toyota is going for a three-CUV strategy in the US because they will launch Corolla hatchback based CUV soon as well - their version of Focus Active. Supposedly the Matrix name is coming back for that one. Matrix-Venza-RAV4... urban-family-rugged 3-CUV attack of Farley's dreams. Edited May 19, 2020 by bzcat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehaase Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 I would have thought Venza is more Toyota's competitor to the Edge, Nissan Murano, Chevrolet Blazer, etc. than a two or three CUV attack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-dubz Posted May 19, 2020 Author Share Posted May 19, 2020 1 hour ago, ehaase said: I would have thought Venza is more Toyota's competitor to the Edge, Nissan Murano, Chevrolet Blazer, etc. than a two or three CUV attack. Its kinda in between. It has the same wheelbase as the rav4, but it’s 5.7 inches longer. It has less cargo room and about the same rear legroom. I think it’s smaller than the edge and other vehicles in that segment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atomcat68 Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 11 hours ago, probowler said: I don't believe anyone buys a crossover to standout or showoff. I don't believe people should buy crossovers to show they gave up on life either. It is possible to have a splash of style too. The new RAV4 is much better looking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, ehaase said: I would have thought Venza is more Toyota's competitor to the Edge, Nissan Murano, Chevrolet Blazer, etc. than a two or three CUV attack. The original Venza was a competitor to Edge and Murano. This one is basically more snazzy RAV4 or cheaper NX, depending on your perspective. It is about the same size as VW Tiguan, Mitsubishi Outlander, Nissan Rogue, or Buick Envision, four of the largest compact CUVs on the market now. Edited May 19, 2020 by bzcat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-dubz Posted May 20, 2020 Author Share Posted May 20, 2020 22 hours ago, atomcat68 said: I don't believe people should buy crossovers to show they gave up on life either. It is possible to have a splash of style too. The new RAV4 is much better looking. Exactly. Bzcat posted a pic of the jaguar e pace earlier and I think that’s a great example of how a crossover should be designed. The jaguars I have seen (both e pace and f pace) seem to do a great job appealing to many different tastes. In certain trims they can look aggressive and sporty, others it can look tame and luxurious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blazerdude20 Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 On 5/19/2020 at 4:28 AM, atomcat68 said: I am disappointed. I liked the look of the first generation and this one disappears in the "sea of Utilities". The interior is nice though. Kind of the opposite of the first gen Venza. The interior in that thing was beyond low rent. Hard, rough cut plastics. I knew someone who owned one and they cut themselves the glove box once. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.