T-dubz Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 https://www.autoblog.com/2020/05/26/ford-debuts-2020-edge-st-line-250-horsepower/ I’m glad to see the st line starting to make their way over to the USA. Hopefully ford will apply it to more vehicles. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 So it's all the same panels as ST except the wheels, ST badge and exhaust outlets. Obviously the powertrain is different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-dubz Posted May 26, 2020 Author Share Posted May 26, 2020 I think this would be a huge hit on the explorer. The st is the best looking explorer and if this was an option, I would have probably bought it over the xlt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 They've had ST Line models in Europe for many years. Always wondered why they never had them here. Looks good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twin Turbo Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 Should be ST "Lite"..........all the looks, without the power It's certainly a popular trim here in the UK (well, not on the Edge, as we don't get that anymore). One thing though......isn't it rather late to be showing this as a '20MY? Surely makes more sense as a '21MY? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02MustangGT Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 Good concept, the “ST-Line” name and badging is just lame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-dubz Posted May 26, 2020 Author Share Posted May 26, 2020 7 minutes ago, 02MustangGT said: Good concept, the “ST-Line” name and badging is just lame. I wonder where the came up with using the word “Line?” Hyundai also has N-Line which is essentially the same thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harley Lover Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 Why couldn't this be the new 'Sport' trim, and try to save the ST name so that is means something? Or is that now Ford Performance? Or SVT? Or... ? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-dubz Posted May 26, 2020 Author Share Posted May 26, 2020 Just now, Harley Lover said: Why couldn't this be the new 'Sport' trim, and try to save the ST name so that is means something? Or is that now Ford Performance? Or SVT? Or... ? yeah I kinda agree. It’d be cool if this was the sport, and then they renamed ST to SVT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlghtjr90 Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 (edited) Audi: S-line Mercedes: AMG-Line BMW: M Sport, or even M340i which is different from M3 Hyundai: N-Line Kia: GT-Line Genesis: Sport - probably the other OEM besides Ford where 'Sport' means you get upgraded engine in addition to different appearance Chevrolet: RS Cadillac: V Sport, or just Sport for the blacked-out trims Toyota: TRD - at least for Camry and Avalon, it is simply different suspension tuning and different tires. Lexus: F-sport Honda: Sport - no signs of using 'Si-Line' yet Acura: A-Spec - different from Type-S Nissan/Infiniti: I guess they never got in the game Mazda: also never got in the game, and 'Sport' indicates the base trim to my dismay VW: GTI and GLI, but those were always tied to the Golf and Jetta respectively. The 2018 Passat GT is a car that no one seems to remember. Volvo: R-design Subaru: Sport, WRX and STI have always been Impreza-based Jaguar/LR: I think they have something, but never quite cared enough Lincoln: Monochromatic Package - ooh la la FCA: whatever they do, i'm sure it won't last any more than 3 years whether it's Scat Pack or Hellcat and bring it back 35 years later. Edited May 26, 2020 by dlghtjr90 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 31 minutes ago, Harley Lover said: Why couldn't this be the new 'Sport' trim, and try to save the ST name so that is means something? Or is that now Ford Performance? Or SVT? Or... ? They’ve had ST and ST-Line in Europe for many years without an issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 33 minutes ago, dlghtjr90 said: Audi: S-line Mercedes: AMG-Line BMW: M Sport, or even M340i which is different from M3 Hyundai: N-Line Kia: GT-Line Genesis: Sport - probably the other OEM besides Ford where 'Sport' means you get upgraded engine in addition to different appearance Chevrolet: RS Cadillac: V Sport, or just Sport for the blacked-out trims Toyota: TRD - at least for Camry and Avalon, it is simply different suspension tuning and different tires. Lexus: F-sport Honda: Sport - no signs of using 'Si-Line' yet Acura: A-Spec - different from Type-S Nissan/Infiniti: I guess they never got in the game Mazda: also never got in the game, and 'Sport' indicates the base trim to my dismay VW: GTI and GLI, but those were always tied to the Golf and Jetta respectively. The 2018 Passat GT is a car that no one seems to remember. Volvo: R-design Subaru: Sport, WRX and STI have always been Impreza-based Jaguar/LR: I think they have something, but never quite cared enough Lincoln: Monochromatic Package - ooh la la FCA: whatever they do, i'm sure it won't last any more than 3 years whether it's Scat Pack or Hellcat and bring it back 35 years later. VW's version of ST-line is R-line. GTI is the same as Ford ST. And R is the same as Ford RS. Also, didn't Ford sell Fiesta ST-line in the US during the last model year of that car? So this is not the first time but it sure took them long enough to roll it out on a higher volume model. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 4 minutes ago, bzcat said: didn't Ford sell Fiesta ST-line in the US during the last model year of that car? I don't think so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex D. Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 This is reminiscent of the old SEL Sport package that was available a few years ago which featured dark wheels, a dark grille, red seat inserts, ect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbone Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 1 hour ago, Harley Lover said: Why couldn't this be the new 'Sport' trim, and try to save the ST name so that is means something? Or is that now Ford Performance? Or SVT? Or... ? As an Explorer ST owner, I agree with you. IMO it diminishes the name a bit, and removes the uniqueness of the ST line. ST should meet more than a look. “Sport” would have been sufficient. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 46 minutes ago, bzcat said: Also, didn't Ford sell Fiesta ST-line in the US during the last model year of that car? So this is not the first time but it sure took them long enough to roll it out on a higher volume model. Yes sir bzcat, you are correct. https://www.autoblog.com/2018/09/06/ford-fiesta-st-line-us-2019/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 3 hours ago, T-dubz said: I think this would be a huge hit on the explorer. The st is the best looking explorer and if this was an option, I would have probably bought it over the xlt. I'm sure we'll see something like it in a few years. 1 hour ago, bzcat said: VW's version of ST-line is R-line. GTI is the same as Ford ST. And R is the same as Ford RS. Also, didn't Ford sell Fiesta ST-line in the US during the last model year of that car? So this is not the first time but it sure took them long enough to roll it out on a higher volume model. Yeah I thought so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlghtjr90 Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 2 hours ago, bzcat said: VW's version of ST-line is R-line. GTI is the same as Ford ST. And R is the same as Ford RS. Excellent comment and sharp observation sir. There is that Explorer Appearance Package happening for 21MY, but I wouldn't be surprised if the name changes to ST-line sooner than later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tzach Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 2 hours ago, tbone said: As an Explorer ST owner, I agree with you. IMO it diminishes the name a bit, and removes the uniqueness of the ST line. ST should meet more than a look. “Sport” would have been sufficient. Totally agree, It should be Sport or something else as I also hate the generic "Sport". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 2 hours ago, akirby said: I don't think so. Apparently I thought wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harley Lover Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 4 hours ago, akirby said: They’ve had ST and ST-Line in Europe for many years without an issue. And how is Ford doing in Europe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 17 minutes ago, Harley Lover said: And how is Ford doing in Europe? It’s not because people are confused between ST and ST line. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted May 26, 2020 Share Posted May 26, 2020 I have owned an Audi Q5 S-line, and a BMW 335i M-Sport. I've also own a Audi S4 and SQ5 and a BMW M3. It's easy to understand the appeal of the "#-line" or "#-Sport" concept for both car companies and buyers. It's easy to understand and easy to sell... you get the look but not the performance. ST and ST-line name convention is pretty straight forward so I think Ford will do fine. If you want to be annoyed, it doesn't matter what Ford calls it (indeed someone in this thread complained about "Sport" being too generic). The point is I don't really see any confusion here... ST buyers knows they are buying performance, and ST-line buyers knows they are buying appearance. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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