probowler Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 26 minutes ago, jpd80 said: Until the virus, the Bronco was on schedule for job 1 in December, a timetable that didn't change in over four years. I wasn't referring to the timeline, but the lack of actual details during the announcement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 1 hour ago, probowler said: I wasn't referring to the timeline, but the lack of actual details during the announcement. Ford seems to be doing that a lot lately, don't they...I wonder why.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice-capades Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 15 hours ago, akirby said: That’s the same link. Oops! I obviously didn't pay enough attention! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harley Lover Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 (edited) Key money quotes about pricing: Quote “Mach 1 has always been that bridge between base Mustangs and the Shelby models,” said Ted Ryan, heritage brand manager, Ford Archives. and performance: Quote Seventeen years later, the all-new 2021 Mustang Mach 1 is set to return as the most track-ready 5.0-liter Mustang ever. Not sure what those openings in the grill feed, but I bet it relates to the performance mission stated above. Edited May 30, 2020 by Harley Lover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coupe3w Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 8 minutes ago, Harley Lover said: and performance: Not sure what those openings in the grill feed, but I bet it relates to the performance mission stated above. The openings are either styling cues or they are there to cool 1,000 Gigawatt generator.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 21 hours ago, coupe3w said: It's been done Big difference between installing it in your garage and on an assembly line. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coupe3w Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 46 minutes ago, fuzzymoomoo said: Big difference between installing it in your garage and on an assembly line. Niche line. It's not like they are going to be making a lot of these. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YT90SC Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 2 hours ago, fuzzymoomoo said: Big difference between installing it in your garage and on an assembly line. And, a keen eye will see that this is not a daily/streetable car to begin with. It's missing something(s) VERY important. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 5 hours ago, coupe3w said: Niche line. It's not like they are going to be making a lot of these. you’re forgetting final assembly. No way that's going into a Mustang from underneath configured like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 2 hours ago, YT90SC said: And, a keen eye will see that this is not a daily/streetable car to begin with. It's missing something(s) VERY important. There's a few somethings that are missing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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coupe3w Posted June 1, 2020 Share Posted June 1, 2020 On 5/30/2020 at 5:48 PM, fuzzymoomoo said: you’re forgetting final assembly. No way that's going into a Mustang from underneath configured like that. Tell me why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurtisH Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 On 5/30/2020 at 2:50 PM, YT90SC said: And, a keen eye will see that this is not a daily/streetable car to begin with. It's missing something(s) VERY important. I’m apparently a little slow here. It’s probably obvious, but what’s missing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, CurtisH said: I’m apparently a little slow here. It’s probably obvious, but what’s missing? I was guessing windshield wipers but they may just be hidden in the cowl. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 7 hours ago, coupe3w said: Tell me why. Looking at that picture they rerouted most, if not all of the cooling system plumbing. The coolant bottle for one thing, which is right up front and on the left side of the radiator is missing, now relocated on the right side of the engine. The stock air box has been removed and the hose now (presumably) is rerouted to somewhere down much lower than the stock intake. All of that suggests there was a lot of custom work done to the engine bay of this car. There's also a "K" brace that's usually goes across the strut towers and bolts just below the cowl that isn't there either. That's not a big deal for the assembly process since not every Mustang gets that anyway but it's worth noting. I'm not an engineer so I'll try to explain from the point of view of someone on the line: when you add a new engine you have to add a whole new process for most of the plant, especially engine line and the marriage process. That means you have to train every employee on an entire new process and that usually means line downtime. It's an unavoidable fact of new model launches. To install this setup from from below will likely require body modifications to provide proper clearance for the new cooling plumbing, which means new body shop tooling. I'm sure the A/C lines have been rerouted to accommodate the intercooler/turbo plumbing which means there needs to be structural changes which changes the whole production process. There's probably more I'm not thinking of at the moment, my day has been a shit-show so my brain is a bit fried. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 3 hours ago, akirby said: I was guessing windshield wipers but they may just be hidden in the cowl. yeah, the mechanism is under the cowl cover, like pretty much all Fords. This one has the cowl cover removed, you can see part of the wiper mechanism in the upper right hand side of the pic. the stock air box, washer fluid bottle and stock coolant bottle are all missing. The air box and coolant bottle have been relocated and upgraded. This is probably a race car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harley Lover Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 4 hours ago, fuzzymoomoo said: This is probably a race car. Perhaps that's why the linked article described it as "the most track-ready 5.0-liter Mustang ever.". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 2 hours ago, Harley Lover said: Perhaps that's why the linked article described it as "the most track-ready 5.0-liter Mustang ever.". So is a GT350 but it’s also streetable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 On 5/30/2020 at 2:50 PM, YT90SC said: And, a keen eye will see that this is not a daily/streetable car to begin with. It's missing something(s) VERY important. On 5/30/2020 at 5:49 PM, fuzzymoomoo said: There's a few somethings that are missing. Are you guys talking about the engine pic? That is NOT the Mach 1 engine. That’s just a random pic of a twin turbo 5.0L. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coupe3w Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 8 hours ago, fuzzymoomoo said: Looking at that picture they rerouted most, if not all of the cooling system plumbing. The coolant bottle for one thing, which is right up front and on the left side of the radiator is missing, now relocated on the right side of the engine. The stock air box has been removed and the hose now (presumably) is rerouted to somewhere down much lower than the stock intake. All of that suggests there was a lot of custom work done to the engine bay of this car. There's also a "K" brace that's usually goes across the strut towers and bolts just below the cowl that isn't there either. That's not a big deal for the assembly process since not every Mustang gets that anyway but it's worth noting. I'm not an engineer so I'll try to explain from the point of view of someone on the line: when you add a new engine you have to add a whole new process for most of the plant, especially engine line and the marriage process. That means you have to train every employee on an entire new process and that usually means line downtime. It's an unavoidable fact of new model launches. To install this setup from from below will likely require body modifications to provide proper clearance for the new cooling plumbing, which means new body shop tooling. I'm sure the A/C lines have been rerouted to accommodate the intercooler/turbo plumbing which means there needs to be structural changes which changes the whole production process. There's probably more I'm not thinking of at the moment, my day has been a shit-show so my brain is a bit fried. I understand what you are saying, but this is a new model launch so the training is already accounted for, no? And as far as the doing the turbo part of it, couldn't that be done on a niche line? In the picture, this car is not complete and is just a prototype. They also have one with the turbos under the car near the header exit. It's called the sleeper package or something like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30 OTT 6 Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 On 5/30/2020 at 11:49 AM, fuzzymoomoo said: Big difference between installing it in your garage and on an assembly line. And passing emissions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coupe3w Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 7 minutes ago, 30 OTT 6 said: And passing emissions. The Hellion twin turbo kit is street legal in all 50 states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twin Turbo Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 If a production Mustang was ever going to get twin turbos, it would probably have been the GT500, but as we know that went with a tried and tested supercharger. Mach1 has never been boosted......it's always been a n/a car and I don't expect that to change. Mach 1 will not tread on GT500's toes. It'll sit in the line-up somewhere along the lines of the Bullitt and GT350, both of which are gone for '21MY. The twin circular "intakes" could be spot lights.......but I hope not, lights in the grille worked for the S197's retro vibe, but don't work on the more modern S550 (in my opinion). They could just be intakes, like the '12/'13 Boss 302 had (well, they had covers which could be removed). I'm hoping for/expecting a n/a 5.0 with around 500hp........hopefully with the optional 10-speed auto or the GT350's Tremec manual. A mix of PP2/GT350 suspension/brakes and that sprinkle with Mach 1 stripes/hood blackout/unique seat trim etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harley Lover Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 3 hours ago, akirby said: So is a GT350 but it’s also streetable. And? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 2 hours ago, coupe3w said: couldn't that be done on a niche line? There is no "niche" line at Flat Rock. I have no idea what you’re talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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