twintornados Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, oacnewbie said: Oakville is a flex plant, the Flex/MKT ran on the D4 platform and the Edge runs on the CD4 platform. If Oakville is going to survive I imagine we will have to upgrade to the C2 or CD6 platform eventually no? edit: by eventually I mean within the next 2-3 years Sounds to me like Oakville is safe...it's a "modern" plant and as Premierdrum points out, it would be extremely shortsighted to close in the current state of the market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oac98 Posted June 16, 2020 Author Share Posted June 16, 2020 (edited) Isn’t the ford courier and some ford transits slated for Mexico???? Edited June 16, 2020 by Oacjay98 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Oacjay98 said: Isn’t the ford courier and some ford transits slated for Mexico???? After the Bronco Sport Launches, the Transit Connect and Ford Maverick (small pickup) are coming next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 Going back to the original subject, the concern about the number of utilities and crossovers on the market seems to forget that’s what most buyers want now and manufacturers offering lots of choices is part of that - all the unnecessary vehicle duplication Mulally used to frown upon is exactly what’s needed today. whatever step Ford takes with Edge also affects Nautilus as well, I don’t think scrapping Edge for dedicated BEVs in the midsized market is all that smart, especially if they start up around $50k. How about we see sales depth of MME first, it could be a great vehicle that sees sales drop off after the first 12 months. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGR Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 Is the source TTAC? If so, why wouldn't we just call BS and move on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oac98 Posted June 16, 2020 Author Share Posted June 16, 2020 46 minutes ago, AGR said: Is the source TTAC? If so, why wouldn't we just call BS and move on? I first seen the article on Automotive News Canada. Then on a few other sites, then on CBC news. Ford spokesperson shot it down saying they intend to stay in the 5 seat passenger suv market whatever that means. Yes Oakville is a big 5.5 million sq ft flex plant since 2006 when they merged Oakville assembly plant with the former Ontario Truck Plant. So they get rid of poor selling flex mkt in Oakville. Then Fusion Mkx are going focus gone. I’m sure other than so called fusion active and ford courier compact truck on the way they have some other offerings. I know about e two BEV crossovers. Wonder what else is in there pipeline Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CKNSLS Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 Maybe staying in the 5 passenger CUV segment means badge engineering the VW Atlas Sport! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 11 minutes ago, CKNSLS said: Maybe staying in the 5 passenger CUV segment means badge engineering the VW Atlas Sport! That for sure is not going to happen. I think Edge survives. If Edge uses C2 platform, it probably makes sense to build it with Fusion Active. I don't think Ford wants to setup C2 production at Cuautitlan and Hermosilo probably won't have enough room for Bronco Sport, Transit Connect, Maverick, Fusion Active, Edge, and Nautilus. So Oakville is definitely in play for build something. I think Ford is content to use Cuautitlan for Mach E and any future EV. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 You guys are putting too much faith in what is almost certainly a contract leverage rumor. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 45 minutes ago, akirby said: You guys are putting too much faith in what is almost certainly a contract leverage rumor. That's not the way DetNews is framing it https://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/ford/2020/06/16/future-ford-edge-and-canadian-plant-where-its-built-question/3202636001/ I tend to side with PD on this one but given what I've experienced in my time at MAP nothing would surprise me anymore. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ausrutherford Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 The question is not whether Edge/Nautilus survive, its a question of where they will be made. The reason - Flat Rock. Ford - "Hey Canada union. If you don't give us something, we will close the plant and move production to Flat Rock." so to speak. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehaase Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 I find the rumor easy to believe. Years ago I started a thread about the death of the Taurus based upon a TTAC article. Most BON posters, especially Richard Jensen, scoffed. That TTAC article was accurate. I won't be surprised if these articles about the Edge are accurate, even though there's a huge price gap between the Escape and Explorer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 17 hours ago, Oacjay98 said: I believe the Edge is the 4th best seller in the segment. Is it? Since when? I wasn't aware it had dropped, nor am I in the mood to look up numbers. 8 minutes ago, ehaase said: I find the rumor easy to believe. Years ago I started a thread about the death of the Taurus based upon a TTAC article. Most BON posters, especially Richard Jensen, scoffed. That TTAC article was accurate. I won't be surprised if these articles about the Edge are accurate, even though there's a huge price gap between the Escape and Explorer. A broken clock is also right 2 times a day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 17 minutes ago, ausrutherford said: The question is not whether Edge/Nautilus survive, its a question of where they will be made. The reason - Flat Rock. Ford - "Hey Canada union. If you don't give us something, we will close the plant and move production to Flat Rock." so to speak. Eh, of those 2 Oakville is more useful and flexible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGR Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 (edited) 41 minutes ago, fuzzymoomoo said: That's not the way DetNews is framing it https://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/ford/2020/06/16/future-ford-edge-and-canadian-plant-where-its-built-question/3202636001/ I tend to side with PD on this one but given what I've experienced in my time at MAP nothing would surprise me anymore. In this article, the Ford spokesperson gave a flat out denial. Usually when a model is on the chopping block, the PR minion says something like "Ford does not comment on future products..." Edited June 17, 2020 by AGR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PREMiERdrum Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 Also remember that the CD6 iteration of the next Edge *was* scrapped. A new program entirely was started in the wake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackinaw Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 The C2 platform, being modular, was designed to be scaled up to a medium (Edge) sized vehicle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oac98 Posted June 17, 2020 Author Share Posted June 17, 2020 7 hours ago, ausrutherford said: The question is not whether Edge/Nautilus survive, its a question of where they will be made. The reason - Flat Rock. Ford - "Hey Canada union. If you don't give us something, we will close the plant and move production to Flat Rock." so to speak. The last contract they threatened to move the edge nautilus to flat rock so what you’re saying is spot on. Every one of the last few contracts is a threat to move production out of Oakville. That’s what Ford does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, Oacjay98 said: The last contract they threatened to move the edge nautilus to flat rock so what you’re saying is spot on. Every one of the last few contracts is a threat to move production out of Oakville. That’s what Ford does. Yeah, that's pretty crappy considering they were looking to close Flat Rock until things changed last year with the NEW UAW contract and next gen Mustang commitment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfan Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 8 hours ago, fuzzymoomoo said: Eh, of those 2 Oakville is more useful and flexible. Remember FRAP is the only Ford plant in their system that builds FWD and RWD cars on the same line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfan Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 1 hour ago, jpd80 said: Yeah, that's pretty crappy considering they were looking to close Flat Rock until things changed last year with the NEW UAW contract and next gen Mustang commitment. I know they float plant closings as a way to gain leverage. IMHO, FRAP was never in jeopardy unless they wanted to drop the Mustang altogether. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 7 minutes ago, Footballfan said: I know they float plant closings as a way to gain leverage. IMHO, FRAP was never in jeopardy unless they wanted to drop the Mustang altogether. Before UAW deal, the rumour was that after MKZ and Continental end, Mustang would move to Oakville and FRAP closes. I wonder if UNIFOR contract negotiation is the mirror image of that, with Edge successor moving to FRAP with Mustang. Ford negotiations = Divide and conquer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullynd Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 Isn’t Ford somewhat production constrained? That’s part of what killed Focus and Fusion right? Seems like negotiation ploy to me. There’s too big of a gap between the Escape and Explorer in my opinion and I don’t think Broncos fill it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 2 hours ago, Footballfan said: Remember FRAP is the only Ford plant in their system that builds FWD and RWD cars on the same line. That really doesn’t matter except maybe the chassis dyno at the end of the line. In the early 2000s Wixom built body on frame RWD town cars alongside unibody RWD LS and FWD unibody Continental. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 10 hours ago, PREMiERdrum said: Also remember that the CD6 iteration of the next Edge *was* scrapped. I see what you did there.... ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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