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On 10/21/2021 at 12:23 PM, FordBuyer said:

 

So what is more pressing than trying to save our very fragile planet? There is a very thin, fragile atmosphere that circles our planet that is only about 55 miles thick. That is it that protects us from total darkness and no air. Destroy that and this planet will look like Mars. Solar winds will the turn this planet into a lifeless rock.

 

Forget bullshit politics and listen to objective scientists. Here in Florida the Manatees are dying off at alarming rate due to pollution killing its food source. And worsening red tide is ruining the coasts. Wake up alarms all over the place. Not politics, just facts. 


Earth is not a very fragile planet, it is a very strong planet and able to heal itself

 

Man is very egotistical and narcissistic to believe the planet is fragile 

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1 hour ago, Shrike9 said:


Earth is not a very fragile planet, it is a very strong planet and able to heal itself

 

Man is very egotistical and narcissistic to believe the planet is fragile 

 

I guess you haven't seen the map of what N.A. will look like when the polar ice caps meltdown as they are doing now at ever increasing rate. FL and LA will be gone. The coast lines along both coasts will be all shriveled up with the major urban areas under water. 

 

Right now, the Florida Keys has to spend millions raising roads up as Miami has been doing. The Keys knows it's only temporary fix as water continues to rise. Miami has to raise roads again. Small towns along coast lines have already been wiped out by recurring storms. Even inland cities like Detroit are losing the battle. Continual flooding that sewers and pumps can't handle anymore without billions in new infrastructure. 

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3 hours ago, FordBuyer said:

 

I guess you haven't seen the map of what N.A. will look like when the polar ice caps meltdown as they are doing now at ever increasing rate. FL and LA will be gone. The coast lines along both coasts will be all shriveled up with the major urban areas under water. 

 

Right now, the Florida Keys has to spend millions raising roads up as Miami has been doing. The Keys knows it's only temporary fix as water continues to rise. Miami has to raise roads again. Small towns along coast lines have already been wiped out by recurring storms. Even inland cities like Detroit are losing the battle. Continual flooding that sewers and pumps can't handle anymore without billions in new infrastructure. 

 

Have you ever seen a volcano blow, I lived thru Mt Pinatubo eruption, that one volcano put out more pollution and did more damage to the earth than man has in his entire time on the planet and the planet healed itself 

 

But keep believing in the propaganda and feel you are doing something to give meaning to your life as nothing I say will ever make a impact on you or cause you to change your mind 

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41 minutes ago, Shrike9 said:

 

Have you ever seen a volcano blow, I lived thru Mt Pinatubo eruption, that one volcano put out more pollution and did more damage to the earth than man has in his entire time on the planet and the planet healed itself 

 

But keep believing in the propaganda and feel you are doing something to give meaning to your life as nothing I say will ever make a impact on you or cause you to change your mind 

 

Are you a climate scientist? Or do you read their scientific journals at all, or pay attention to NASA weather satellites. Or maybe individual country concerns that are on the frontlines of this threat? If not, then you should. The concen grows every year almost exponentially now as more collateral damage reveals itself in all forms from the ocean to land. Almost every country on Earth is now concerned. Making it political will doom future generations. 

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49 minutes ago, FordBuyer said:

 

Are you a climate scientist? Or do you read their scientific journals at all, or pay attention to NASA weather satellites. Or maybe individual country concerns that are on the frontlines of this threat? If not, then you should. The concen grows every year almost exponentially now as more collateral damage reveals itself in all forms from the ocean to land. Almost every country on Earth is now concerned. Making it political will doom future generations. 


follow the money & see who is getting rich off of the climate scans, or think for yourself instead of being told how to think

 

You can go back 50 plus years and see how the climate change wackos have screamed the earth is doomed & how they have always been proven wrong time and time again 

 

If they were really serous we would have nuclear power instead of solar and wind and all the other carbon burning power productions methods 

 

keep spouting your propaganda and I shall keep laughing 

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1 hour ago, FordBuyer said:

 

Are you a climate scientist? Or do you read their scientific journals at all, or pay attention to NASA weather satellites. Or maybe individual country concerns that are on the frontlines of this threat? If not, then you should. The concen grows every year almost exponentially now as more collateral damage reveals itself in all forms from the ocean to land. Almost every country on Earth is now concerned. Making it political will doom future generations. 


As I am new and trying to figure Out the forum & have no idea how/where to look can you please tell me what vehicles you own/drive, if you live a green/clean energy lifestyle in a climate change friendly home and do not use any fossil fuels, or products made from them. 
 

Thank you 

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1 hour ago, FordBuyer said:

Almost every country on Earth is now concerned. Making it political will doom future generations. 

 

Yes sir FordBuyer. Fortunately, almost every country in the world understands the importance of making the transition to sustainable energy and are taking actions to that effect. bzcat mentioned on this site in another thread topic that there's only 1 major political party in the developed world (U.S. GOP) that continues to deceive people about climate change and the urgent need for both government and industry to address it. And that political party is getting weaker. 

 

The California proposals mentioned in this thread will inevitably be adopted in some form by the U.S. federal government and become nationwide standards for the commercial vehicle, passenger car/light truck, and small off road equipment industries.

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15 minutes ago, akirby said:

Ok let’s drop the climate change debate and get back on topic.

 

Yes sir. Back to the original topic in this thread, ZEV regulations for commercial trucks and vans in California. It's good to see real world examples of California businesses using electric trucks and vans in their daily operations and staying ahead of regulations. Here is an example from Pepsico/Frito Lay's plant and distribution center in Modesto. They purchased Class 6 box trucks with Cummins PowerDrive 100% electric powertrains, and expect to completely replace their diesel powered trucks with ZEV trucks before California regulations require.

 

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Calif laws are a HUGE  part of the backup in the ports, historically moving containers in ports fall to the oldest POS semis due to multiple reasons & now Calif has made it impossible for companies to make a profit moving containers as well as mandating electrical vehicles instead of diesel 

 

The idiotic California laws are hurting the entire country & the electrical grid is not designed or built to support what Kalif says it needs to support. 
 

Calif can’t even keep the lights and AC on in the summer & has to have rolling brownouts along with other electrical power delivery problems & now they are demanding more and more electrical vehicles 

 

Not to mention where does the electricity come from, that is the elephant in the room 

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1 hour ago, Shrike9 said:


As I am new and trying to figure Out the forum & have no idea how/where to look can you please tell me what vehicles you own/drive, if you live a green/clean energy lifestyle in a climate change friendly home and do not use any fossil fuels, or products made from them. 
 

Thank you 

 

I bought an Escape hybrid last year and it's in electric mode close to 70% of the time with the type of everyday driving we do. I wish my house had solar panels, but it doesn't. FL is not very solar friendly because of the wacky politics here. Only homes here that have solar panels are to heat their pools. I have to admit my golf cart is gas, only because I can't stand having 6 lead acid batteries under my seat. I do plan on buying a lithium battery cart in the future though. No maintenance, no leaks, and no loss of power as battery wears down unlike lead acid. 

 

Our area also has its own organic farm about 3 miles away that supplies the grocery and restaurants here. A mega greenhouse operation with hydroponic growing. No fertilizer or chemicals and farm to table. The micro greens are unbelievable.

 

Also great water management system that reuses precipitation through through series of retention ponds. All non portable water is captured from rain. The retention ponds are interconnected as they shift the water to where its needed. Water utility companies from around the world come here to learn about the system. It can handle 12 inches or rain rather easily without major flooding.

 

Also a golf cart community with many hundreds of miles of multimodal paths. Almost all errands can be done by cart which saves lots of gas....about 40% of carts are electric and rest get up to 50mpg.

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Example 2 of California businesses staying ahead of regulations and embracing ZEV for commercial trucks. NFI Freight uses Volvo VNR all electric Class 8 trucks for drayage operations transporting containers from Port of Long Beach to DCs in the Inland Empire.

 

 

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Example 3. Penske Logistics. General freight runs, on and back route between Temecula and San Diego. Penske is using Freightliner eCascadia Class 8 trucks.

 

 

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Example 4. Biagi Brothers. Transport wine from warehouse in Napa to bottling facility in Sonoma. Biagi first used pre-production Peterbilt 579EV Class 8 trucks, and intends to add the production version 579EV with Meritor's eAxle integrated electric powertrain to their fleet.

 

 

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Wheres that Tesla Semi....or the Nicola?.....

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At the beginning of 2022, 6 U.S. states are now committed to ZEV truck rules. New York and Massachusetts are the latest. Six States Now Committed to Zero-Emission Truck Rules - Fuel Smarts - Trucking Info

 

  1. California
  2. Oregon
  3. Washington
  4. New Jersey
  5. New York
  6. Massachusetts
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On 4/18/2021 at 12:28 PM, rperez817 said:

Washington State passed a bill on April 15 to phase out the sale of new gasoline powered cars by 2030. This is 5 years ahead of the proposals in California, Massachusetts, and Quebec. This Washington State bill doesn't address ZEV mandates for commercial trucks and vans. Washington state passes bill with goal to phase out gasoline cars | Reuters

 

Bill was signed by Governor Inslee on March 25, 2022 and takes effect June 9, 2022. The provision for phasing out the sale of ICE cars and light trucks in Washington State is as follows. Washington State Legislature

 

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a target is established for the state that all publicly owned and privately owned passenger and light duty vehicles of model year 2030 or later that are sold, purchased, or registered in Washington state be electric vehicles

 

This Washington State bill as signed by the governor, unlike the California proposal mentioned in the original post of this thread, doesn't yet establish a phase out period for the sale of ICE powered commercial vans and trucks. However, as mentioned in the previous post, Washington State did adopt the Advanced Clean Trucks Rule to require manufacturers of medium and heavy duty vans and trucks to sell an increasing number of ZEV. WAC 173-423-400 - Washington State Department of Ecology

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On ‎1‎/‎10‎/‎2022 at 7:15 AM, rperez817 said:

At the beginning of 2022, 6 U.S. states are now committed to ZEV truck rules. New York and Massachusetts are the latest. Six States Now Committed to Zero-Emission Truck Rules - Fuel Smarts - Trucking Info

 

  1. California
  2. Oregon
  3. Washington
  4. New Jersey
  5. New York
  6. Massachusetts

makes for great tree hugging press...screw the fact Electrics carbon signature can be argued to effect the environment in potentially more damaging manners than ICE let alone create ...AGAIN....foreign dependence on raw materials...I for one wont jump on the bandwagon and will see how this pans out, as far as Im concerned this subject is just pandering to a small percentage of people that have literally been brainwashed into thinking Electric will be out savior..it wont, and is far from it. But does great for Political popularity and lobbying. I literally cannot wait till theres an alternative fuel released in viable quantities at reasonable pricing that are ICE friendly and lower already negligible exhaust emissions from mass produced cars...

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1 hour ago, Deanh said:

makes for great tree hugging press...screw the fact Electrics carbon signature can be argued to effect the environment in potentially more damaging manners than ICE let alone create ...AGAIN....foreign dependence on raw materials...I for one wont jump on the bandwagon and will see how this pans out, as far as Im concerned this subject is just pandering to a small percentage of people that have literally been brainwashed into thinking Electric will be out savior..it wont, and is far from it. But does great for Political popularity and lobbying. I literally cannot wait till theres an alternative fuel released in viable quantities at reasonable pricing that are ICE friendly and lower already negligible exhaust emissions from mass produced cars...

 

The issue is that there are alternative fuel sources, but they make zero economic sense because they are 2-3x the price of refining gasoline or don't provide the same amount of energy per gallon, resulting in more usage of them.

 

The US already looking at increasing production of materials to support batteries and tech is being developed that doesn't need lithium or other rarer materials to make batteries.

 

While the current energy grid does have some issues, its not like it can't support electrification as it grows...the old chestnut power failures applies to gas powered cars too-can't pump gas without power if your on E. 

 

What electrification of vehicles is supposed to do is allow is shrink 29% of total GHG emissions that come from the transportation side of the house...its a hell of a lot easier to control a couple hundred power plants through out the country vs hundreds of thousands of individual cars/trucks. 

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On ‎3‎/‎30‎/‎2022 at 9:22 AM, silvrsvt said:

 

The issue is that there are alternative fuel sources, but they make zero economic sense because they are 2-3x the price of refining gasoline or don't provide the same amount of energy per gallon, resulting in more usage of them.

 

The US already looking at increasing production of materials to support batteries and tech is being developed that doesn't need lithium or other rarer materials to make batteries.

 

While the current energy grid does have some issues, its not like it can't support electrification as it grows...the old chestnut power failures applies to gas powered cars too-can't pump gas without power if your on E. 

 

What electrification of vehicles is supposed to do is allow is shrink 29% of total GHG emissions that come from the transportation side of the house...its a hell of a lot easier to control a couple hundred power plants through out the country vs hundreds of thousands of individual cars/trucks. 

point is, it will come with its own side effects...some yet undocumented...ICEs are a given and known entity...electrification most definitely is not and is basically a Science project being forced down the publics throats by a bunch of Political morons surfing on a wave of mis-information that SOME of the public have taken hook line and sinker, one being eradication of ...ahem...Global Warming....much like stopping supply here and having oil shipped from over seas...you cannot buy that ignorance....

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16 hours ago, rperez817 said:

 

Bill was signed by Governor Inslee on March 25, 2022 and takes effect June 9, 2022. The provision for phasing out the sale of ICE cars and light trucks in Washington State is as follows. Washington State Legislature

 

 

This Washington State bill as signed by the governor, unlike the California proposal mentioned in the original post of this thread, doesn't yet establish a phase out period for the sale of ICE powered commercial vans and trucks. However, as mentioned in the previous post, Washington State did adopt the Advanced Clean Trucks Rule to require manufacturers of medium and heavy duty vans and trucks to sell an increasing number of ZEV. WAC 173-423-400 - Washington State Department of Ecology

 

Within 8 years is ridiculous.

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11 hours ago, rmc523 said:

Within 8 years is ridiculous.

 

2030 model year for 100% electric passenger cars and light trucks is well within the realm of existing product development cycles at automakers. It's good that Washington state established that benchmark. Next step for Washington state (and other governments all around the world) is to establish a firm target for phasing out the sale of ICE powered medium and heavy duty trucks and vans.

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