Broncofan7 Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 https://fordauthority.com/2020/09/three-row-ford-escape-seven-seater-to-expand-escape-family/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CKNSLS Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 There are competitors (Hyundai Tucson for one) that are rumored to be available in a third row configuration in the future. Personally-I would move up a segment if I wanted a third row SUV/CUV. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 1 hour ago, CKNSLS said: There are competitors (Hyundai Tucson for one) that are rumored to be available in a third row configuration in the future. Personally-I would move up a segment if I wanted a third row SUV/CUV. I think the Rav4 and CRV come with a 3rd row in other markets. I still don't see the Edge going anywhere-it still sells well in NA and I'm assuming it sells well in China also, since its offered with a 3rd row over there. Theres' been rumors of a smaller 3 row vehicle coming from Mexico, but these where originally matched up with the smaller B class vehicle that may or maynot morphed into the Bronco Sport. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 The article only talks about it for Europe not NA. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, akirby said: The article only talks about it for Europe not NA. it mentions Australia also. I'm thinking that if this becomes a thing, its going to be on the LWB C platform that the Maverick and Transit Connect are built on. Its not like the Escape is suffering for second row space...they are adjustable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonj80 Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 (edited) This is needed in Europe, almost all the competition offer a 3 row version CR-V, Tiguan, X-Trail(Rogue), RAV4 etc. Edited September 8, 2020 by jasonj80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 This is/was the Ford Europe proposal to replace Edge - a narrow C2. The US proposal was CD6 Edge. The Asia Pacific proposal was a wide C2. Looks like the Euro proposal won out. It may also appear in Asia Pacific... China is a big market for compact 3 row CUV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
passis Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 6 hours ago, silvrsvt said: Theres' been rumors of a smaller 3 row vehicle coming from Mexico, but these where originally matched up with the smaller B class vehicle that may or maynot morphed into the Bronco Sport. Maybe the supposed cancelation of CX758 also has something to do with this Grand Escape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-dubz Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 I never understood 3 row compact SUVs. It seems like it’s punishment to make anyone sit back there and you get less cargo space. is the fusion cuv still in the works? I remember the mule spy pics of it had an escape front end. I wonder if that could have been this 3 row escape instead? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, T-dubz said: is the fusion cuv still in the works? I remember the mule spy pics of it had an escape front end. I wonder if that could have been this 3 row escape instead? Yes it is...its going to be the Subaru fighter. The three row Escape could have been that funky blockly mule we thought was the Maverick, before the latest Maverick spy shots popped up with sheetmetal similar to the Bronco Sport Front end. Did some digging into the C platform: The LWB Transit Connect is 120 inches long vs 104 for the Transit Connect SWB The 2020 Escape is 106.7 The Edge is 112.2 The Flex was 117 If they went with the full LWB platform, it would be nearly the same size as the Flex was, but narrower. I'm guessing they are looking at splitting the difference between the Escape and LWB TC...a 112 inch or so Wheel base would work for the Fusion Sportback and a compact three row vehicle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 33 minutes ago, T-dubz said: I never understood 3 row compact SUVs. It seems like it’s punishment to make anyone sit back there and you get less cargo space. Don’t you have more cargo space with the 3rd row down? The 3rd row is aimed primarily at children but adults can use it in a pinch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paintguy Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Sounds like it could be useful for Europe or Asia. USA customers tend to be too super sized for this. Even young, fit, parents could end up with back strain working a car seat in that 3rd row. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-dubz Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 16 minutes ago, akirby said: Don’t you have more cargo space with the 3rd row down? The 3rd row is aimed primarily at children but adults can use it in a pinch. I was assuming you buy a 3 row compact suv because you have a lot of people to haul (so the seats would always be up) and it’s cheaper than an explorer or expedition. Maybe people buy them just in case they need to carry an extra person here and there though. From the pics I’ve seen of other vehicles in this segment, it looks like even kids would barely fit back there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-dubz Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 1 minute ago, paintguy said: Sounds like it could be useful for Europe or Asia. USA customers tend to be too super sized for this. Even young, fit, parents could end up with back strain working a car seat in that 3rd row. A car seat wouldn’t fit back there I’m assuming. It was a tight fit in the second row of our escape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valve Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 1 hour ago, akirby said: Don’t you have more cargo space with the 3rd row down? The 3rd row is aimed primarily at children but adults can use it in a pinch. I assume that there is still some cargo space lost to the storage of the seats, when not in use. Unless the seats can be removed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 51 minutes ago, paintguy said: Sounds like it could be useful for Europe or Asia. USA customers tend to be too super sized for this. Even young, fit, parents could end up with back strain working a car seat in that 3rd row. No way you could use a car seat back there. Car seats 2nd row, older kids in the back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 32 minutes ago, valve said: I assume that there is still some cargo space lost to the storage of the seats, when not in use. Unless the seats can be removed. Sure but I’m assuming you also have more length. at least that’s how Ford did the 3 row edge. If it’s the same length then you’re right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 9 minutes ago, akirby said: Sure but I’m assuming you also have more length. at least that’s how Ford did the 3 row edge. If it’s the same length then you’re right. they also changed the shape of the lift gate and the body side around the d-pillar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 12 minutes ago, akirby said: Sure but I’m assuming you also have more length. at least that’s how Ford did the 3 row edge. If it’s the same length then you’re right. 2 minutes ago, fuzzymoomoo said: they also changed the shape of the lift gate and the body side around the d-pillar. The Edge grew 16 inches... https://www.autoblog.com/2014/11/21/ford-edge-three-row-china-report/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 1 minute ago, silvrsvt said: The Edge grew 16 inches... https://www.autoblog.com/2014/11/21/ford-edge-three-row-china-report/ Oh I know, I'm just saying lengthening it wasn't the only thing they did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-dubz Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 here’s the 3 row edge. Looks a bit goofy to me. The proportions never seem to work when they try to lengthen a vehicle. VW did it right with the atlas and atlas cross sport. Start with a larger vehicle and then shrink it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valve Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 27 minutes ago, silvrsvt said: The Edge grew 16 inches... https://www.autoblog.com/2014/11/21/ford-edge-three-row-china-report/ That's huge! The Explorer is only 10 inches longer than the Edge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 10 minutes ago, valve said: That's huge! The Explorer is only 10 inches longer than the Edge. I'm thinking its wrong...I pulled up a site that had the overall length of it as 4878mm (192 inches) for the 7 seater...but the 5 seater was listed as the same length. OL for the Edge in NA is listed as 188.88 inches or 4795.52mm A 4 inch stretch makes more sense than 16 inches...because it would be longer then an Explorer (199 or so inches long) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oac98 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Hope the redesign the escape to! It’s bland as hell! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 (edited) You guys are over thinking this. Ford just want a competitor for VW Tiguan Allspace, Nissan X-Trail (Rogue) and Peugeot 5008. Just look at the clusters of competitors from a worldwide perspective (rather than US-centric one) and think of Ford's professed desire to be the preferred SUV brand for the masses. I just picked 3 random competitors from each segment to illustrate what Ford is trying to accomplish here with a 7 seat Kuga - it is the missing hole in the line up. L x W x H // WB Subcompact short Suzuki Breeza (not sold in the US) 157.3" x 70.5" x 64.6" // 98.4" Honda WR-V (not sold in the US) 157.5" x 68.5" x 63.0" // 100.4" EcoSport 161.3" x 69.5" x 64.8" // 99.2 VW T-Cross (not sold in the US) 161.7" x 69.3" 62.6" // 100.4" Subcompact long Hyundai Kona 164.0" x 70.9" x 61.6" // 102.4 Puma (not sold in the US) 164.8" x 71.1" x 60.5" // 101.9" Jeep Renegade 166.6" x 71.1" x 66.5" // 101.2" VW T-Roc (not sold in the US) 166.7" x 71.6" x 61.9" // 102.0" Compacts short Nissan Qashqai (Rogue Sport) 172" x 70.9" x 62.8" // 104.2" Bronco Sport 172.7" x 74.3" x 70.2" // 105.1" Peugeot 3008 (not sold in the US) 175.2" x 72.4" x 63.8" // 105.3" VW Tharu/Tarek (US debut in Oct 2020) 175.3" x 72.5" x 64.3" // 105.5" Compact long 5 seat VW Tiguan SWB (not sold in the US) 176.6" x 72.4" x 65.9" // 105.6" Escape/Kuga 180.5" x 74.1" x 66.1 // 106.7" Honda CR-V 180.6" x 73.0" x 66.1" // 104.7" (also available with 7 seats) Toyota RAV4 181.1" x 73.0" x 65.4" // 105.9" Compact long 7 seat Peugeot 5008 (not sold in the US) 182.7" x 72.4" x 64.6" // 111.8" Nissan Rogue 183" x 72.4" x 66.9" // 106.5" VW Tiguan LWB 185.5" x 72.4" x 65.9" // 109.9" (also available with 5 seats) <Escape/Kuga 7 seat should be somewhere here> Midsize 5 seat Hyundai Santa Fe 187.8" x 74.4" x 66.1" // 108.9" Edge 5 seat 188.8" x 75.9" x 68.3" // 112.2" Jeep Grand Cherokee 189.8" x 76.3" 69.3" // 114.8" Nissan Murano 192.4" x 75.4" x 66.5" // 111.2" Midsize 7 seat Jeep Grand Commander (not sold in the US) 191.9" x 74.5" x 68.4" // 110.2" Edge 7 seat (not sold in the US) 192.0" x 75.9" x 68.2" // 112.2" GMC Acadia 193.6" 75.4" x 68.7" // 112.5" Toyota Highlander 194.9" x 76.0" x 68.1" // 112.2" Large 7 seat Kia Talluride 196.9" x 78.3" x 68.9" // 114.2" VW Atlas 198.3" x 78.3" x 67.7" // 117.3" Explorer 198.9" x 78.9" x 69.9" // 119.1" Dodge Durango 199.8" x 75.8" x 70.9" // 119.9" US Fullsize Expedition 210.0" x 79.9" x 76.6" // 122.5" Chevy Tahoe 210.7" x 81.1" x 75.7" // 120.9" Edited September 9, 2020 by bzcat 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.