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54 minutes ago, jpd80 said:

Is this Jim Farley hitting the go button on products that maybe Jim Hackett wasn't prepared to do on his watch?

 

Could be?

 

Though someone earlier pointing out Ford's history of including all powertrain variants when tallying up electric models (i.e. an Edge ICE, hybrid, and PHEV counts as "3" models, "2" electrics) makes me skeptical of their "5 electric models" terminology.

 

Interpreting Ford speak in normal people talk, that could easily mean only 3 new models:

 

vehicle 1 - a Ford PHEV (or regular hybrid) and EV version of the same body (i.e. Edge) FORD'S TALLY - "2" models

vehicle 2 - a Lincoln PHEV (or regular hybrid) and EV version of the same body (i.e. Nautilus)  FORD'S TALLY - "2" models

vehicle 3 - a new BEV model.  FORD'S TALLY - "1" model

 

Or it could be even "worse" - that it could easily mean 2 new models (in normal people talk):

 

vehicle 1 - a Ford ICE/PHEV (or regular hybrid) and EV version of the same body (i.e. Edge)  FORD'S TALLY - "3" models

vehicle 2 - a Lincoln PHEV (or regular hybrid) and EV version of the same body (i.e. Nautilus) FORD'S TALLY - "2" models

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40 minutes ago, Harley Lover said:

 

BZ, is it possible that the use of a skateboard chassis negates some of the time element of a "traditional" development cycle, and consequently these vehicles could be ready sooner?

 

I don't think so. Skateboard chassis is no different than C2... Ford is not redesigning the drivetrain package on every C2 vehicle either but it still takes at least 36 months to finalize the body design, interior, and integrate all the sub-systems. Plus all the regulatory requirement and timeline doesn't change... you still have to do crash test evaluations even if the chassis is the same. And EV calibration and software optimization probably takes a lot more time than we all imagine. Ford will have MPGe targets it wants to hit and that number doesn't just go up by itself. You have to torture the drive system algorithm to do what you want. 

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23 minutes ago, rmc523 said:

 

Could be?

 

Though someone earlier pointing out Ford's history of including all powertrain variants when tallying up electric models (i.e. an Edge ICE, hybrid, and PHEV counts as "3" models, "2" electrics) makes me skeptical of their "5 electric models" terminology.

 

Interpreting Ford speak in normal people talk, that could easily mean only 3 new models:

 

vehicle 1 - a Ford PHEV (or regular hybrid) and EV version of the same body (i.e. Edge) FORD'S TALLY - "2" models

vehicle 2 - a Lincoln PHEV (or regular hybrid) and EV version of the same body (i.e. Nautilus)  FORD'S TALLY - "2" models

vehicle 3 - a new BEV model.  FORD'S TALLY - "1" model

 

Or it could be even "worse" - that it could easily mean 2 new models (in normal people talk):

 

vehicle 1 - a Ford ICE/PHEV (or regular hybrid) and EV version of the same body (i.e. Edge)  FORD'S TALLY - "3" models

vehicle 2 - a Lincoln PHEV (or regular hybrid) and EV version of the same body (i.e. Nautilus) FORD'S TALLY - "2" models

 

Ford is unlikely to develop a new platform that can be either ICE or EV. Either one would be trade off at this point.

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1 hour ago, rmc523 said:

 

Could be?

 

Though someone earlier pointing out Ford's history of including all powertrain variants when tallying up electric models (i.e. an Edge ICE, hybrid, and PHEV counts as "3" models, "2" electrics) makes me skeptical of their "5 electric models" terminology.

 

Interpreting Ford speak in normal people talk, that could easily mean only 3 new models:

 

vehicle 1 - a Ford PHEV (or regular hybrid) and EV version of the same body (i.e. Edge) FORD'S TALLY - "2" models

vehicle 2 - a Lincoln PHEV (or regular hybrid) and EV version of the same body (i.e. Nautilus)  FORD'S TALLY - "2" models

vehicle 3 - a new BEV model.  FORD'S TALLY - "1" model

 

Or it could be even "worse" - that it could easily mean 2 new models (in normal people talk):

 

vehicle 1 - a Ford ICE/PHEV (or regular hybrid) and EV version of the same body (i.e. Edge)  FORD'S TALLY - "3" models

vehicle 2 - a Lincoln PHEV (or regular hybrid) and EV version of the same body (i.e. Nautilus) FORD'S TALLY - "2" models

I agree I somehow don’t think it will be 5 separate vehicles. We had four here and obviously it was the two platforms D 471/472 and U387/388.

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6 hours ago, valve said:

 

Ford is unlikely to develop a new platform that can be either ICE or EV. Either one would be trade off at this point.

 

I would agree, but as pointed out, Ford has a history of exaggerating their offerings by counting multiple powertrains as "extra" electrified vehicles.

 

Where normal people hear that, they think 5 new EV nameplates, when in Ford talk, it could mean a couple of new nameplates with multiple powertrains.

 

I may be wrong, but just going off history here.

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The language in the official announcement will tell all. If the 5 vehicles are announced as EVs, that will indeed be big news. If they're called "electrified" that probably just means that the next Edge/Nautilus will be hybrid and PHEV only. The 5th vehicle will be the mystery. And what of the Fusion? The dealers have been promised a "Fusion" car of some sorts, they won't be happy if it doesn't materialize. There's now 2 C2 plants which are or will be at full capacity, and Flat Rock and (Mexican city I can't spell or pronounce) that have as of now one product allocation each. The new Fusion would have to come from one of those plants.

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2 minutes ago, AGR said:

The language in the official announcement will tell all. If the 5 vehicles are announced as EVs, that will indeed be big news. If they're called "electrified" that probably just means that the next Edge/Nautilus will be hybrid and PHEV only. The 5th vehicle will be the mystery. And what of the Fusion? The dealers have been promised a "Fusion" car of some sorts, they won't be happy if it doesn't materialize. There's now 2 C2 plants which are or will be at full capacity, and Flat Rock and (Mexican city I can't spell or pronounce) that have as of now one product allocation each. The new Fusion would have to come from one of those plants.

They’re making it sound like it’s all electric here. They say we’re gonna lose some jobs as electric vehicles require less parts. 300 jobs are supposed to be created for battery production. 

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1 hour ago, Twin Turbo said:

https://windsorstar.com/news/local-news/breaking-unifor-and-ford-reach-tentative-agreement

 

"Dias said Ford’s Windsor engine plants will begin producing a new 6.8-litre engine in 2022 for the F-150 pickup truck and the Ford Mustang"

 

I can understand a new 6.8l for the F150, but for the Mustang, too? Surely not?!?

 

Remember news reports a few years back about a new 4.8L V8 engine to be made in Windsor to replace the old 5.0L? I'm wondering if the 6.8L is actually a misprint and supposed to be 4.8L V8? Here's an old article about it. Looking like the 4.8L engine project may have moved forward if that's the case?

 

https://www.torquenews.com/106/future-ford-f150-could-get-new-48l-v8

 

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8 hours ago, silvrsvt said:

Prayers have been answered, GM may have the LS but Ford has Godzilla

It will be interesting to see how Ford makes the 6.8 work for CAFE fuel economy.

Perhaps sophisticated cylinder deactivation like GM's new dynamic fuel Management?

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2 hours ago, pffan1990 said:

 

Remember news reports a few years back about a new 4.8L V8 engine to be made in Windsor to replace the old 5.0L? I'm wondering if the 6.8L is actually a misprint and supposed to be 4.8L V8? Here's an old article about it. Looking like the 4.8L engine project may have moved forward if that's the case?

 

https://www.torquenews.com/106/future-ford-f150-could-get-new-48l-v8

 


That makes more sense 

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32 minutes ago, fuzzymoomoo said:

That's so weird to me. It wasn't that long ago Jim Hackett said Ford was done developing new gas engines and from here on they would just be upgrading the current engines and focusing on hybrid/PHEV and BEV drivetrains. 


There will be changes to existing engine family's, just new ground up designs will not be done. An engine like the 3.0L I-6 will probably never happen now. 

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17 minutes ago, jasonj80 said:


There will be changes to existing engine family's, just new ground up designs will not be done. An engine like the 3.0L I-6 will probably never happen now. 

 

So basically the 6.8L will be a short deck 7.3L. reading inbetween the lines.

 

Interesting, considering the resources they want to use with the Ecoboost lineup in the F-150, or is this just a replacement for the 6.2L in the Super Duty?

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