Twin Turbo Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 I agree. This doesn't mean it's going in S650. Ford have already stretched the limits of what a Mustang can be with Mach E, so this could go in another vehicle Ford decides to call a Mustang. However, surely the options are limited? Right now the only Fords with V8s are the Mustang and the F-Series. Would they really badge an F-Series as a Mustang? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 (edited) 21 minutes ago, akirby said: Well derivative of a mustang and mustang are completely different. Although I still have a hard time seeing the benefits of this engine over the 7.3, the coyotes and the 3.5eb in any application. Don't overthink this, a derivative of F150 and a Mustang is code for F150 Raptor and Shelby Mustang. The benefit of a large capacity engine in either of those applications is linked to its ability to draw more buyers. Maybe Ford is preparing a cost effective answer to that pesky 700 HP S/C 6.4 V8 Hemi. Edited September 24, 2020 by jpd80 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 31 minutes ago, jpd80 said: Don't overthink this, a derivative of F150 and a Mustang is code for F150 Raptor and Shelby Mustang. The benefit of a large capacity engine in either of those applications is linked to its ability to draw more buyers. Maybe Ford is preparing a cost effective answer to that pesky 700 HP S/C 6.4 V8 Hemi. I can see it for Raptor to satisfy the V8 mafia but I don’t see it for Mustang unless maybe it’s a drag racer special like the cobrajet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 7 minutes ago, akirby said: I can see it for Raptor to satisfy the V8 mafia but I don’t see it for Mustang unless maybe it’s a drag racer special like the cobrajet. I don't think it will be a CobraJet. After the electric one that just came out, I think that's the direction they’re going to go with that from here on. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 19 minutes ago, fuzzymoomoo said: I don't think it will be a CobraJet. After the electric one that just came out, I think that's the direction they’re going to go with that from here on. I hear you but I don’t see any other use case for a mustang coupe or anything smaller than a F150. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twin Turbo Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 I don't know enough about this, but could it be related to the closure of the Romeo engine plant? I would assume that the 5.2 Predator engine could be built elsewhere but, if not, the 6.8 could be a replacement for that in a future Shelby? The previous GT500's Trinity engine (5.8 Supercharged V8) only lasted 2 model years, so is it possible that Predator will only last 3 model years ('20/'21/'22.......then S650 is launched as a '23MY) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 Just now, Twin Turbo said: I don't know enough about this, but could it be related to the closure of the Romeo engine plant? I would assume that the 5.2 Predator engine could be built elsewhere but, if not, the 6.8 could be a replacement for that in a future Shelby? The previous GT500's Trinity engine (5.8 Supercharged V8) only lasted 2 model years, so is it possible that Predator will only last 3 model years ('20/'21/'22.......then S650 is launched as a '23MY) It was spelled out in the UAW contract. Most of the workers from Romeo that don't retire or take a buyout will go to Van Dyke and the Niche engine line (Where the handbuilt engines come from) will move to either Cleveland or Lima. I can't remember which one at the moment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twin Turbo Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 Ah, thank you. Told you I didn't know enough about it lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trader 10 Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 1 hour ago, akirby said: I can see it for Raptor to satisfy the V8 mafia but I don’t see it for Mustang unless maybe it’s a drag racer special like the cobrajet. At first blush, it doesn’t make sense, but the 6.8 will be a physically smaller engine than the 5.0 and it almost certainly will be cheaper to build. An aluminum version would probably weigh no more than the 5.0. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurtisH Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 46 minutes ago, Trader 10 said: At first blush, it doesn’t make sense, but the 6.8 will be a physically smaller engine than the 5.0 and it almost certainly will be cheaper to build. An aluminum version would probably weigh no more than the 5.0. On Mustang6g, someone is claiming this will be an aluminum block. I think the 4.6 iron block weighed 155 pounds, the aluminum version weighed 85. The Godzilla block is longer than the 4.6 and also has (I think) a taller deck. If they go aluminum, it should lose more than 70 pounds that the 4.6 lost. Some are also speculating a shorter deck height. That would shave additional weight. Disclaimer: This is all speculation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MY93SHO Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 6 hours ago, jpd80 said: Don't overthink this, a derivative of F150 and a Mustang is code for F150 Raptor and Shelby Mustang. The benefit of a large capacity engine in either of those applications is linked to its ability to draw more buyers. Maybe Ford is preparing a cost effective answer to that pesky 700 HP S/C 6.4 V8 Hemi. S/C is a 6.2L Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MY93SHO Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 On 9/23/2020 at 12:49 PM, akirby said: There is no way no how a 6.8L engine ends up in a Mustang especially not a pushrod. And others stated there would never be a 4 valve V8 in an F150, yet here we are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 1 hour ago, MY93SHO said: And others stated there would never be a 4 valve V8 in an F150, yet here we are. I’m fully prepared to be wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 (edited) I think this signals that the S/C 5.2 probably has about two years maximum before it gets replaced, The Shelby Mustangs will probably get Atmo and S/C versions of the 6.8 V8. In no way is the 6.8 going to be regular option in F150 or Mustang, it has to stay exclusive to limit sales, too many sales will see Ford take a big hit from CAFE. Edited September 24, 2020 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, CurtisH said: On Mustang6g, someone is claiming this will be an aluminum block. I think the 4.6 iron block weighed 155 pounds, the aluminum version weighed 85. The Godzilla block is longer than the 4.6 and also has (I think) a taller deck. If they go aluminum, it should lose more than 70 pounds that the 4.6 lost. Some are also speculating a shorter deck height. That would shave additional weight. Disclaimer: This is all speculation. Currently the 7.3 is ~538 lbs so not that much heavier than the 5.0 Coyote with ~404 lbs and with an alloy block, it could easily drop 50 lbs like the 5.4 MOD does with an alloy block. And even if the 6.8 stays iron block, I don't think the added weight would be a deal-breaker given the capacity increase and compact dimensions of the engine, brute strength without a blower? Edited September 24, 2020 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7Mary3 Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 Yet Ford will not be able to pout the 5.0L in the Bronco due to emissions reasons....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 Just now, 7Mary3 said: Yet Ford will not be able to pout the 5.0L in the Bronco due to emissions reasons....... A truck and a Mustang both have larger footprints than a Bronco does so it isn't as big of a hit on their average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pffan1990 Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 5 hours ago, akirby said: I’m fully prepared to be wrong. I'm prepared to be wrong too and be quite surprised. I still think, as I stated in one of my previous comments a few pages back, that the 6.8L could be a simple misprint/misspoken and actually the 4.8L that was once planned in Windsor. I do think lots of development work was already done to the 4.8L before it was shelved and perhaps it was Farley himself who decided to green light the project. Just speculation on my part. The 5.0L Coyote is getting really old and pretty much already reached its maximum capabilities. But we'll see. 5 hours ago, jpd80 said: I think this signals that the S/C 5.2 probably has about two years maximum before it gets replaced, The Shelby Mustangs will probably get Atmo and S/C versions of the 6.8 V8. In no way is the 6.8 going to be regular option in F150 or Mustang, it has to stay exclusive to limit sales, too many sales will see Ford take a big hit from CAFE. It does make sense to have the 6.8L V8 be the replacement for the SC 5.2L since it's closer to its end. What does 'Atmo' mean that you mentioned? If it is indeed the 6.8L, and not the 4.8L as I think, it would make a good limited engine for performance purposes only as to not impact CAFE numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 38 minutes ago, pffan1990 said: What does 'Atmo' mean that you mentioned? ATMO = naturally aspirated 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurtisH Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 1 hour ago, fuzzymoomoo said: A truck and a Mustang both have larger footprints than a Bronco does so it isn't as big of a hit on their average. The 4 door Bronco has a longer wheelbase than the Mustang. It’s also slightly longer and wider than the Mustang. The Mustang definitely has a bigger footprint than the 2 door Bronco. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 37 minutes ago, CurtisH said: The 4 door Bronco has a longer wheelbase than the Mustang. It’s also slightly longer and wider than the Mustang. The Mustang definitely has a bigger footprint than the 2 door Bronco. Fair enough, however Ford sells more pickup trucks in 2-3 months than they do Mustangs in a full year which negates any kind of gains Mustang being longer than Bronco may have. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 5 hours ago, pffan1990 said: I'm prepared to be wrong too and be quite surprised. I still think, as I stated in one of my previous comments a few pages back, that the 6.8L could be a simple misprint/misspoken and actually the 4.8L that was once planned in Windsor. I do think lots of development work was already done to the 4.8L before it was shelved and perhaps it was Farley himself who decided to green light the project. Just speculation on my part. The 5.0L Coyote is getting really old and pretty much already reached its maximum capabilities. But we'll see. It does make sense to have the 6.8L V8 be the replacement for the SC 5.2L since it's closer to its end. What does 'Atmo' mean that you mentioned? If it is indeed the 6.8L, and not the 4.8L as I think, it would make a good limited engine for performance purposes only as to not impact CAFE numbers. There was a link to the video of Dias answering a question about the 6.8, he said it's going into derivatives of F150 (Raptor)and Mustang (Shelbys). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfan Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 On 9/22/2020 at 2:03 PM, ExplorerDude said: Nautilus is freshened for 2021MY with new interior, then redesigned for 2024MY with next gen being built in China and imported to the US. I think that in light of COVID 19 that in the very best was gross negligence by China, and the very worst intentional, any American automaker that imports a $50K + vehicle from China when there is excess capacity in the US is wiping their backside with the American flag. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballfan Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 Some food for thought: Could the EVs made at Oakville also be made for VW? Is the Edge necessarily going away? Could the new product scheduled for OHAP be the next Edge? Last years contract allocated $85 Million for an "all-new Edge." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 2 hours ago, Footballfan said: Some food for thought: Could the EVs made at Oakville also be made for VW? Is the Edge necessarily going away? Could the new product scheduled for OHAP be the next Edge? Last years contract allocated $85 Million for an "all-new Edge." Working backwards, $85 million is not much to spend on new Edge, so maybe it's componentry supply for Oakville? Vehicles moved from FRAP to OHAP were described as BEV mid sized utilities for Ford and Lincoln, so that's a no. We can dream of a future that Ford's Canadian plant makes EVs for itself and VW, set it up and play to win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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