jpd80 Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 On 10/3/2020 at 10:57 AM, CKNSLS said: Take a guess as to what that seat actually adds to the price of the vehicle (If the seat and only the seat was on the "base model" without having to take the shine and glam options). Divide that by 5 or 7 years of financing. The difference is minuscule. It's an existing fleet base model that been given a quick tizz for retail buyers and if people want a third row, Ford directs them to the XLT with power fold/ retract.The base is made down to a price for a reason and that's to make people buy higher trims to get what they want. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice-capades Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 7 hours ago, T-dubz said: https://www.motor1.com/news/448230/new-ford-expedition-price-cut/ stx package appears to be $1000. XL model will now be available for $50,720. 2021 Expedition XL 4x2 MSRP = $49,025 + $1,695 D&D 2021 Expedition XL 4x4 MSRP = $52,075 + $1,695 D&D STX Equipment Group #104A = $970 MSRP 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
probowler Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 Jesus.... 50k for an XL???? In what universe is a base expy worth 50k... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice-capades Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 7 hours ago, probowler said: Jesus.... 50k for an XL???? In what universe is a base expy worth 50k... Just look at the prices for comparable vehicles in the same class. The Expedition XL series is forecast to be only 6% of production and is in place to serve a specific customer base at a lower/entry level price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 13 hours ago, probowler said: Jesus.... 50k for an XL???? In what universe is a base expy worth 50k... A universe where GM and Ford make a ton of profit off full sized utilities, they do it because people will pay to get what they want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
probowler Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, jpd80 said: A universe where GM and Ford make a ton of profit off full sized utilities, they do it because people will pay to get what they want. Yeah, that's a fair point. The market will provide what the people want. Personally I wouldn't pay that much! But I also don't need that much truck either.... so it's not really for me anyway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 14 hours ago, probowler said: Jesus.... 50k for an XL???? In what universe is a base expy worth 50k... Discounts are in the $13K range so that’s $37K street price. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-dubz Posted October 11, 2020 Author Share Posted October 11, 2020 2 hours ago, akirby said: Discounts are in the $13K range so that’s $37K street price. That’s a lot of vehicle for the price when including incentives. Add the stx package and you can get some style added for cheap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 On 10/10/2020 at 11:42 PM, probowler said: Jesus.... 50k for an XL???? In what universe is a base expy worth 50k... Same universe where Chevy Tahoe LS is $50k 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice-capades Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, bzcat said: Same universe where Chevy Tahoe LS is $50k Ford and the other manufacturers all make sure that they're competitive price-wise but also set prices as high as the market will allow, meaning what customers will pay which allows them to maximize profits. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Label Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 1 hour ago, ice-capades said: Ford and the other manufacturers all make sure that they're competitive price-wise but also set prices as high as the market will allow, meaning what customers will pay which allows them to maximize profits. Sounds like a sound business practice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NLPRacing Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 On 10/2/2020 at 4:13 PM, CKNSLS said: How many people look at the Expedition and say-"I wish it only sat Five"................ There are many people that would rather have the extra cargo room than the 3rd-row seat. Overlanders, businesses, people using it for towing, etc. Why pay for something you never use. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MY93SHO Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 (edited) On 10/11/2020 at 1:42 AM, probowler said: Jesus.... 50k for an XL???? In what universe is a base expy worth 50k... "I remember when a loaf of bread was a nickel." You do know a Model T would be $28,000 at today's rate of inflation. Edited October 13, 2020 by MY93SHO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
probowler Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, MY93SHO said: "I remember when a loaf of bread was a nickel." You do know a Model T would be $28,000 at today's rate of inflation. I also wouldn't pay 28K for a model T Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 Prices for full sized SUVs shouldn't come as a surprise, they're cream sales on top of crew cab pick ups. No doubt that financing plays a major role in enabling sales, forget the price, look at the monthly payment.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 (edited) On 10/11/2020 at 4:34 PM, probowler said: Personally I wouldn't pay that much! But I also don't need that much truck either.... so it's not really for me anyway. Good points probowler sir. But that's the thing with the full size BOF SUV and full size LD pickup truck markets. A large portion, probably majority, of their customers are very wealthy people seeking a status symbol. They'll pay whatever the market is asking. The actual capabilities and specs of the vehicles aren't important, as long as they can tow and haul people and stuff reasonably well. What matters is that full size BOF SUVs and full size pickups are 2 of the most prestigious vehicle categories out there right now. Edited October 13, 2020 by rperez817 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 10 minutes ago, rperez817 said: Good points probowler sir. But that's the thing with the full size BOF SUV and full size LD pickup truck markets. A large portion, probably majority, of their customers are very wealthy people seeking a status symbol. They'll pay whatever the market is asking. The actual capabilities and specs of the vehicles aren't important, as long as they can tow and haul people and stuff reasonably well. What matters is that full size BOF SUVs and full size pickups are 2 of the most prestigious vehicle categories out there right now. but even then there is a limit....former extended family used to buy Escalades prior to the last redesign and price hike...they tapped out and downgraded to a Tahoe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
probowler Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 6 hours ago, rperez817 said: Good points probowler sir. But that's the thing with the full size BOF SUV and full size LD pickup truck markets. A large portion, probably majority, of their customers are very wealthy people seeking a status symbol. They'll pay whatever the market is asking. The actual capabilities and specs of the vehicles aren't important, as long as they can tow and haul people and stuff reasonably well. What matters is that full size BOF SUVs and full size pickups are 2 of the most prestigious vehicle categories out there right now. There's a post on Bronco6G right now about a full-size Bronco rumor. Apparently the thinking is Ford can tap into that demand and provide a full-size bronco and excursion based on the F150 platform. Doesn't sound very credible, but it would be cool! And the market seems to be trending that way... though I do agree with Silver that there is a limit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 Seriously, if there was any way that an F150 based Bronco was happening, Ford would be short stroking it all over the internet as three Bronco sizes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 15 hours ago, silvrsvt said: former extended family used to buy Escalades prior to the last redesign and price hike...they tapped out and downgraded to a Tahoe. A newer Tahoe in some ways would actually be an "upgrade" over an older Escalade. Especially if the Tahoe is 2 or more generations newer than the Escalades your family used to have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 (edited) 51 minutes ago, rperez817 said: A newer Tahoe in some ways would actually be an "upgrade" over an older Escalade. Especially if the Tahoe is 2 or more generations newer than the Escalades your family used to have. With both pickup trucks and SUVs, Ford, Chevy, and especially GMC have moved upmarket in a big way over the past 20 years. This Monday's Automotive News had an article about how GMC's Denali and AT4 subbrands are among the hottest "luxury" automobiles in the market right now. https://www.autonews.com/sales/top-dollar-subbrands-boost-gmc-over-cadillac Quote "Detroit's biggest seller of luxury vehicles isn't Cadillac anymore. It's GMC. GMC's high-end Denali and AT4 lines are outselling General Motors' traditional luxury brand in the U.S. this year, according to figures from GM and the Automotive News Data Center. The automaker is building on Denali's ability to command luxury prices by expanding the AT4 off-road subbrand and planning a pair of high-performance electric vehicles that will revive the Hummer name. "People are coming in writing $80,000 to $90,000 checks for these trucks," said Inder Dosanjh, dealer principal at Dublin Buick-GMC and Fremont Buick-GMC in the San Francisco Bay area. "There's so much demand out there." "It's not even a question of buyers' willingness to pay what GM is asking. It's a matter of who has them." Edited October 14, 2020 by rperez817 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 56 minutes ago, rperez817 said: A newer Tahoe in some ways would actually be an "upgrade" over an older Escalade. Especially if the Tahoe is 2 or more generations newer than the Escalades your family used to have. They where upgrading every couple years...it wasn't that old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 6 minutes ago, rperez817 said: With both pickup trucks and SUVs, Ford, Chevy, and especially GMC have moved upmarket in a big way over the past 20 years. This Monday's Automotive News had an article about how GMC's Denali and AT4 subbrands are among the hottest "luxury" automobiles in the market right now. https://www.autonews.com/sales/top-dollar-subbrands-boost-gmc-over-cadillac The thing is the last time I saw the definition of Luxury in the automotive market-it was something that was over 30K, maybe 40K. With that said, Ford would be technically the biggest luxury automotive manufacture on F-series sales alone . Pricing for ALL cars and trucks has gone up dramatically over the past 10-15 years. A fully loaded 2006 Mustang GT was $29K (well without automatic)...now the starting price is higher then that and a loaded one is $50k+. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 (edited) 33 minutes ago, silvrsvt said: A fully loaded 2006 Mustang GT was $29K (well without automatic)...now the starting price is higher then that and a loaded one is $50k+. $29k in 2006 is $37.4k in 2020 U.S. dollars. Fully loaded 2006 Mustang GT has fewer amenities than 2020 Mustang Ecoboost Premium with 2.3L High Performance Package, which goes for about $37k in terms of current pricing. And the 2006 Mustang GT would get whipped by the 2020 Mustang Ecoboost Premium with 2.3L High Performance Package on every performance measure. New car customers never had it as good as now. Edited October 14, 2020 by rperez817 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-dubz Posted October 14, 2020 Author Share Posted October 14, 2020 11 hours ago, probowler said: There's a post on Bronco6G right now about a full-size Bronco rumor. Apparently the thinking is Ford can tap into that demand and provide a full-size bronco and excursion based on the F150 platform. Doesn't sound very credible, but it would be cool! And the market seems to be trending that way... though I do agree with Silver that there is a limit. I think I’d like an explorer sized bronco. The bronco is the same width as the edge (75.9”) and the explorer feels much larger than the edge to me even though it’s only a few inches wider (78.9”). I think an explorer sized bronco would be the perfect size. An f150 sized bronco would be cool too, but that just too big for my needs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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