akirby Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 (edited) 21 minutes ago, T-dubz said: I think I’d like an explorer sized bronco. The bronco is the same width as the edge (75.9”) and the explorer feels much larger than the edge to me even though it’s only a few inches wider (78.9”). I think an explorer sized bronco would be the perfect size. An f150 sized bronco would be cool too, but that just too big for my needs. F150 is only 1 inch wider than Explorer. (79.9) Edited October 14, 2020 by akirby 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 4 hours ago, rperez817 said: $29k in 2006 is $37.4k in 2020 U.S. dollars. Fully loaded 2006 Mustang GT has fewer amenities than 2020 Mustang Ecoboost Premium with 2.3L High Performance Package, which goes for about $37k in terms of current pricing. And the 2006 Mustang GT would get whipped by the 2020 Mustang Ecoboost Premium with 2.3L High Performance Package on every performance measure. I left the year out-when the 2009/2010 MCE came out the price went up $10-15K over the 2006. Yes it had the 2006 options "standard" but I don't think some of the additions where worth 10K. I wasn't talking about the S550. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 5 hours ago, T-dubz said: I think I’d like an explorer sized bronco. The bronco is the same width as the edge (75.9”) and the explorer feels much larger than the edge to me even though it’s only a few inches wider (78.9”). I think an explorer sized bronco would be the perfect size. An f150 sized bronco would be cool too, but that just too big for my needs. The reason that the Explorer feels a lot bigger than the Edge is because it's almost as wide as an F150 (re akirby's post) The disadvantage with using CD6 is unitary construction when a full sized Bronco is expected to have a separate frame. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broncofan7 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 While I don't think that a fullsize Bronco is in the cards right now, I'd have to imagine that Ford would at least consider making one because of how much attention the Bronco has gotten and the desire to make many Bronco options. I would assume sales of the regular Bronco family would have to be great. But, if SUVs and off-roading continue picking up steam, I say why not? (Barring production limitations, etc.). I'd love a big Bronco option! But the only thing I recall testing that could possibly be related was the single-cab Raptor... did we ever figure out what that was for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 10 hours ago, akirby said: F150 is only 1 inch wider than Explorer. (79.9) Not sure how that's possible - F-150's cabin is massive, feels so much bigger than Explorer's. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 9 hours ago, rmc523 said: Not sure how that's possible - F-150's cabin is massive, feels so much bigger than Explorer's. The F-150 has a lot more head and sholder room then an Explorer does Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 11 hours ago, rmc523 said: Not sure how that's possible - F-150's cabin is massive, feels so much bigger than Explorer's. Just going by Wikipedia specs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 3 hours ago, silvrsvt said: The F-150 has a lot more head and sholder room then an Explorer does The center console alone is nearly double the size in F-series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 9 minutes ago, rmc523 said: The center console alone is nearly double the size in F-series. I confirmed the widths on Ford.com. There is 6 inches more shoulder room in the F-150. Must be in the doors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 23 minutes ago, akirby said: I confirmed the widths on Ford.com. There is 6 inches more shoulder room in the F-150. Must be in the doors. Yeah, I looked it up too, I'm just very surprised by it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zgxtreme Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 Any idea when B&P should be up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 18 hours ago, Broncofan7 said: While I don't think that a fullsize Bronco is in the cards right now, I'd have to imagine that Ford would at least consider making one because of how much attention the Bronco has gotten and the desire to make many Bronco options. I would assume sales of the regular Bronco family would have to be great. But, if SUVs and off-roading continue picking up steam, I say why not? (Barring production limitations, etc.). I'd love a big Bronco option! But the only thing I recall testing that could possibly be related was the single-cab Raptor... did we ever figure out what that was for? That was a cobbled together body on a Powertrain mule for Bronco Raptor/Warthog. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 22 minutes ago, jpd80 said: That was a cobbled together body on a Powertrain mule for Bronco Raptor/Warthog. I thought it was the Baja Bronco R? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 1 hour ago, zgxtreme said: Any idea when B&P should be up? Ha, don't bring that up. At first Mike Levine said "by September" (he subsequently had to "clarify" to where "by" somehow includes September), and then it has since become "in October" (the latest rumor was Oct 13), but we're not here on the 15th and nothing. I'm at the point where I don't believe anything said about when it's potentially arriving, and it'll just show up when it shows up. Reportedly the dealer switch deadline has been pushed out to January 31st, 2021 now as well (it was Oct. 31st - in 2 weeks). I haven't received anything official from Ford about that date change, but folks at 6g have talked to multiple Ford-associated people that have all corroborated the Jan 31st change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 1 hour ago, silvrsvt said: I thought it was the Baja Bronco R? IIRC, that’s an off road race only vehicle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broncofan7 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 3 hours ago, jpd80 said: That was a cobbled together body on a Powertrain mule for Bronco Raptor/Warthog. 3 hours ago, silvrsvt said: I thought it was the Baja Bronco R? That's interesting. I never knew that there subsequent information came out on it. Thank you both for your input. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 (edited) Yes, people were assuming that it was a SWB F-150 but didn’t realise how wide the more radical broncos are, big wheels, short nose gave it away. Edited October 16, 2020 by jpd80 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zgxtreme Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 5 hours ago, rmc523 said: Ha, don't bring that up. At first Mike Levine said "by September" (he subsequently had to "clarify" to where "by" somehow includes September), and then it has since become "in October" (the latest rumor was Oct 13), but we're not here on the 15th and nothing. I'm at the point where I don't believe anything said about when it's potentially arriving, and it'll just show up when it shows up. Reportedly the dealer switch deadline has been pushed out to January 31st, 2021 now as well (it was Oct. 31st - in 2 weeks). I haven't received anything official from Ford about that date change, but folks at 6g have talked to multiple Ford-associated people that have all corroborated the Jan 31st change. My bad, given the discussion had migrated toward the Bronco, should’ve specified the B&P for the 2021 Expedition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGR Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 Explorer also adding King Ranch and Timberline trim levels: https://www.motor1.com/news/449205/2021-ford-explorer-new-trims/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 12 hours ago, zgxtreme said: My bad, given the discussion had migrated toward the Bronco, should’ve specified the B&P for the 2021 Expedition. It's all good, my mind was in Bronco mode when reading it lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atomcat68 Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 On 10/14/2020 at 9:31 AM, silvrsvt said: The thing is the last time I saw the definition of Luxury in the automotive market-it was something that was over 30K, maybe 40K. With that said, Ford would be technically the biggest luxury automotive manufacture on F-series sales alone . Pricing for ALL cars and trucks has gone up dramatically over the past 10-15 years. A fully loaded 2006 Mustang GT was $29K (well without automatic)...now the starting price is higher then that and a loaded one is $50k+. And Mustang's sales are a great deal lower as a result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 7 minutes ago, atomcat68 said: And Mustang's sales are a great deal lower as a result. Year sold 2005 160,975 2006 166,530 2007 134,626 2008 91,251 2009 66,623 2010 73,716 2011 70,438 2012 90,706 2013 77,186 2014 82,635 2015 122,349 2016 105,932 2017 81,866 2018 75,842 2019 72,489 2020 47,637 Given that the 2005 was the first all new Mustang in nearly 30 years, its not that bad. The 2015 did pretty well also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atomcat68 Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 21 minutes ago, silvrsvt said: Year sold 2005 160,975 2006 166,530 2007 134,626 2008 91,251 2009 66,623 2010 73,716 2011 70,438 2012 90,706 2013 77,186 2014 82,635 2015 122,349 2016 105,932 2017 81,866 2018 75,842 2019 72,489 2020 47,637 Given that the 2005 was the first all new Mustang in nearly 30 years, its not that bad. The 2015 did pretty well also. Imagine if instead of car sales, that was the money you make in your yearly income. You were much happier to make 165,000 in 2005 than 72,000 in 2019 for the same work. hahaha. But seriously, I know that stopped me from buying new. I'm not paying double for a car that is almost the same as my 2012 in performance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 1 hour ago, atomcat68 said: Imagine if instead of car sales, that was the money you make in your yearly income. You were much happier to make 165,000 in 2005 than 72,000 in 2019 for the same work. hahaha. But seriously, I know that stopped me from buying new. I'm not paying double for a car that is almost the same as my 2012 in performance. You can’t look at it that way. If the price actually doubled then Ford made the same Revenue on half the sales and therefore a lot less cost so they pocketed a lot more cash on the lower sales volume. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice-capades Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 15 minutes ago, akirby said: You can’t look at it that way. If the price actually doubled then Ford made the same Revenue on half the sales and therefore a lot less cost so they pocketed a lot more cash on the lower sales volume. Agreed. With Mustang though, these are just NA sales numbers and don't reflect Mustang production and sales for the export markets which are a substantial part of Flat Rock's operation. And those Mustang's built for export are packaged differently and priced a lot higher than those for the domestic market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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