92merc Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 (edited) I don't recall hearing the Explorer Police Interceptor Hybrids shipping. This was in my local news... https://bismarcktribune.com/news/local/bismarck/bismarck-police-testing-hybrid-squad-cars/article_b55cdaea-b3bc-5e7d-aa3c-cb44af3eaac6.html#tracking-source=home-top-story-1 Edited October 9, 2020 by 92merc I kan't spel very well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 14 minutes ago, 92merc said: I don't recall hearing the Explorer Police Interceptor Hybrids shipping. This was in my local news... https://bismarcktribune.com/news/local/bismarck/bismarck-police-testing-hybrid-squad-cars/article_b55cdaea-b3bc-5e7d-aa3c-cb44af3eaac6.html#tracking-source=home-top-story-1 we have delivered quite a few. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 As far as I can tell, Ford has been producing gasoline and hybrid PIs since launch but the early ones were shipped to Flat Rock for fix ups but started shipping direct last October. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92LX302 Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 Our agency received one. Drove it for about a week. It had approximately 8,000 km (5,000 miles). Performance is similar to my usual 3.7 Interceptor sedan. The big difference is fuel economy. I averaged 10.4L/100 km during that week vs my Interceptor that usually hovers around 13.9L/100 km. Our older Interceptor utility usually hovers above 16L/100 km. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 I know I've seen a 2020 PIU - not sure if it's hybrid or not, as I've been seeing it at night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 1 hour ago, rmc523 said: I know I've seen a 2020 PIU - not sure if it's hybrid or not, as I've been seeing it at night. I don't think it comes from the factory with any kind of hybrid labeling. I'm sure there's some departments out there that will add it on their own though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92LX302 Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, fuzzymoomoo said: I don't think it comes from the factory with any kind of hybrid labeling. I'm sure there's some departments out there that will add it on their own though. Ours has no indication it's an hybrid, inside or out. Edited October 10, 2020 by 92LX302 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice-capades Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 The AWD 3.3L V6 Direct-Injection Hybrid Engine System is standard but most departments in our area are downgrading to the 3.3L ICE and taking the price credit up front instead of the hybrid's lower operating costs long term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIP Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 I wish they would offer the 3.3 V6 option for the general public on the Explorer, at least on the XLT line. Curious why the 2.3 eco boost is not offered on the PI vehicles. Is there a long term heavy duty issue? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bzcat Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 14 hours ago, VIP said: I wish they would offer the 3.3 V6 option for the general public on the Explorer, at least on the XLT line. Curious why the 2.3 eco boost is not offered on the PI vehicles. Is there a long term heavy duty issue? Likely to just keep things simple since hybrid is 3.3 only. This way, for departments that operate mixed fleets, they can keep a single sku of consumerable parts for both 3.3 and 3.3 hybrid. Also, remember the PIU comes standard with hybrid... 3.3 non-hybrid is a cost reduced option - meaning it is a value option for departments that have low acquisition budget but no operating budget issues. The 2.3 EB probably cost more than 3.3 so it negates the potential savings that Ford is able to offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FR739 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 I’ve heard of Explorer Interceptor Hybrids shipping but issues resulting in them not being delivered (not starting at the delivery yard, batteries that are empty and no way to charge them etc). I’ve also heard of fleets still not being allowed by Ford to take delivery of their Explorers due to major issues that Ford will not disclose and agencies having to lemon law Explorers due to issues. Has anyone else heard similar? I thought all the bugs were worked out at Chicago but it seems they’re still struggling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 (edited) They sold close to 59,000 last quarter, so if there were wholesale problems, Ford would be getting crucified by the major publications, you can’t keep secrets like that hidden. Edited October 15, 2020 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackinaw Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 From the Chicago Sun-Times: "After quality issues last year and a two-month shutdown due to the coronavirus, the company reports its local operations are running 24 hours a day to meet demand. “We’re really proud of the vehicles we are building in Chicago,” Savona said. “The quality by all available measures has been terrific.” https://chicago.suntimes.com/business/2020/10/13/21514527/ford-motor-chicago-assembly-plant-explorer-suv-production 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blwnsmoke Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 Don't know about the hybrid but there are still plenty of issues with these explorers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FordBuyer Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 On 10/14/2020 at 11:01 AM, FR739 said: I’ve heard of Explorer Interceptor Hybrids shipping but issues resulting in them not being delivered (not starting at the delivery yard, batteries that are empty and no way to charge them etc). I’ve also heard of fleets still not being allowed by Ford to take delivery of their Explorers due to major issues that Ford will not disclose and agencies having to lemon law Explorers due to issues. Has anyone else heard similar? I thought all the bugs were worked out at Chicago but it seems they’re still struggling. Isn't the police version built in a separate assembly area? I believe police assembly launch came later offsite from main retail assembly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FordBuyer Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 8 hours ago, blwnsmoke said: Don't know about the hybrid but there are still plenty of issues with these explorers. That's not what Ford is saying. Article quoted above says all is well and the warden has full control of the prisoners again. Also sounds like all the robots are finally calibrated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 2 hours ago, FordBuyer said: Also sounds like all the robots are finally calibrated. I have some thoughts on this as well but I don't want to get myself in trouble. Let's just say they've definitely learned from this debacle and leave it at that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FR739 Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 22 hours ago, FordBuyer said: Isn't the police version built in a separate assembly area? I believe police assembly launch came later offsite from main retail assembly. That’s a good question. I guess I don’t see why they would need a separate area for a vehicle that’s virtually identical to the civilian one. But I suppose it could be. 22 hours ago, FordBuyer said: That's not what Ford is saying. Article quoted above says all is well and the warden has full control of the prisoners again. Also sounds like all the robots are finally calibrated. Of course Ford is going to say that. They never really acknowledged there was ever problems with the Explorer and Aviator. They characterized the shipment of vehicles to Flat Rock(?) as “not out of the ordinary”. Unless by “robots” you mean their public messaging on the subject https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/ford/2019/09/13/ford-2020-explorer-lincoln-aviator-delivery/2292795001/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 8 minutes ago, FR739 said: Of course Ford is going to say that. They never really acknowledged there was ever problems with the Explorer and Aviator. They characterized the shipment of vehicles to Flat Rock(?) as “not out of the ordinary”. Not true. https://www.motortrend.com/news/2020-ford-explorer-launch-problems-lessons-shareholder-meeting/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 8 hours ago, akirby said: Not true. https://www.motortrend.com/news/2020-ford-explorer-launch-problems-lessons-shareholder-meeting/ I noticed the part about virtual pilot builds being denounced by Jim Hackett, the whole point of pilot builds is to find and iron out problems in the actual plant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harley Lover Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 (edited) 13 hours ago, jpd80 said: I noticed the part about virtual pilot builds being denounced by Jim Hackett, the whole point of pilot builds is to find and iron out problems in the actual plant. Doesn't sound like they will be performing any virtual pilot builds again! Edited October 17, 2020 by Harley Lover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 47 minutes ago, Harley Lover said: Doesn't sound like they will be performing any virtual pilot builds again! They better not, that was a TERRIBLE idea. You might be able to get away with that building something simpler like furniture but cars are way to complicated for that. They're definitely not doing that now, that I think I can say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 7 hours ago, fuzzymoomoo said: They better not, that was a TERRIBLE idea. You might be able to get away with that building something simpler like furniture but cars are way to complicated for that. They're definitely not doing that now, that I think I can say. You're safe because Hackett is on record saying no more virtual pilot builds, it's like why would they do that with so much at stake? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 2 hours ago, jpd80 said: You're safe because Hackett is on record saying no more virtual pilot builds, it's like why would they do that with so much at stake? Seems as if we're putting the pieces together as to why Hinrichs was blown out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 3 hours ago, jpd80 said: You're safe because Hackett is on record saying no more virtual pilot builds, it's like why would they do that with so much at stake? I don’t think there was room at the plant. But I bet they figure out how to do it next time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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