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29 minutes ago, akirby said:


Except for one fact.  The number of total deaths each year is fairly consistent with an annual increase due to population increases.  Based on that we should expect about 2.85M deaths for 2020.  Period.  Regardless of cause.  We’re on track for at least 3.1M and could be even higher.  Again, total deaths all causes.  Covid is the only reasonable explanation for the 250K additional deaths.


While that's true, the real question is he was trying to ask is how many of those extra 250k are actually from COVID, not with. 

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Certain government officials and the media are now predicting a large increase in COVID cases due to Thanksgiving holiday travel. No calls for moving hospital ships, conversion of convention centers and halls. Not so dramatic now that the election is over...

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4 hours ago, fuzzymoomoo said:


While that's true, the real question is he was trying to ask is how many of those extra 250k are actually from COVID, not with. 


If 250k more people die in 2020 and the only difference is Covid then Covid is responsible either directly or indirectly.

 

Or look at it this way.  If covid wasn’t causing any deaths then we wouldn’t see an increase in total deaths.  All the people who died with covid would have died anyway,

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"Covid is the only reasonable explanation for the 250K additional deaths."  well possibly akirby but, all 250K, why not going from 80K to 120K influenza? why not 360K heart disease to 400K and why not cancer at...and so on, then why not 100K rona? 

 

Lets face it the monetary game was played, the hype was played, the opportunists grabbed the low hanging fruit, the media played every game possible and the civil war participants were all over this like stink on shit. 

 

Can anyone say with any certainty  what the total numbers reflect? Are there miss diagnosis in every day life? Another history search for some but how many people had loss of children when the shot they were given was to protect their children? (Thalidomide) Just a year or so ago the flu hit a morbidity rate never heard of with the close to 90K, was that 90K the total without any missed diagnosis? Then who can determine if the current killer flu isn`t just the next step in evolution of  morbidity? 

 

As long as the way things were handled, played out and still none or little truth in the information coming from the media or the civil (political) war participants?  We will be the Ginny Pigs, the played masses and of course so many become the sheep that is the growing silent majority.... 

 

  

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9 minutes ago, Decker said:

"Covid is the only reasonable explanation for the 250K additional deaths."  well possibly akirby but, all 250K, why not going from 80K to 120K influenza? why not 360K heart disease to 400K and why not cancer at...and so on then 100K rona? 

 

Lets face it the monetary game was played, the hype was played, the opportunists grabbed the low hanging fruit, the media played every game possible and the civil war participants were all over this like stink on shit. 

 

Can anyone say with any certainty  what the total numbers reflect? Are there miss diagnosis in every day life? Another history search for some but how many people had loss of children when the shot they were given was to protect their children? (Thalidomide) Just a year or so ago the flu hit a morbidity rate never heard of with the close to 90K, was that 90K the total without any missed diagnosis? Then who can determine if the current killer flu isn`t just the next step in evolution of  morbidity? 

 

As long as the way things were handled, play out and still none or little truth in the information coming from the media or the civil war participants?  We will be the Ginny Pigs, the played masses and of course so many become the sheep that is the growing silent majority.... 

 

  


The total number of deaths and death classifications just don’t vary that much year to year with the exception of influenza.  In early 2018 the weekly death rate hit a peak of 65k but returned to normal after a couple of months.  April this year the weekly death rate was over 70K and it stayed higher than normal since then.  
 

Unless you can point to some other unnatural cause that coincidentally happened at exactly the same time as Covid, then Covid was responsible whether it was a primary, secondary or tertiary cause.

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36 minutes ago, akirby said:


If 250k more people die in 2020 and the only difference is Covid then Covid is responsible either directly or indirectly.

 

Or look at it this way.  If covid wasn’t causing any deaths then we wouldn’t see an increase in total deaths.  All the people who died with covid would have died anyway,


If that's the case then why the lockdowns? Why the masks? Why the panic? 

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1 hour ago, fuzzymoomoo said:


If that's the case then why the lockdowns? Why the masks? Why the panic? 


I think you misunderstood.  If Covid wasn’t causing deaths and people were dying from normal causes and just happened to test positive then we would expect to see a normal number of deaths in 2020 which would be around 2.85M.  But that’s not what we’re seeing.  It will be at least 3.1M.

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11 hours ago, akirby said:


The total number of deaths and death classifications just don’t vary that much year to year with the exception of influenza.  In early 2018 the weekly death rate hit a peak of 65k but returned to normal after a couple of months.  April this year the weekly death rate was over 70K and it stayed higher than normal since then.  
 

Unless you can point to some other unnatural cause that coincidentally happened at exactly the same time as Covid, then Covid was responsible whether it was a primary, secondary or tertiary cause.

 

My other unnatural cause is more or less natural for the human nature of the system. We list item by item in the general death totals, each one of the columns can and are manipulated by human nature. Have we had a leveling or lowering of any itemized listing of or in a certain classified death? Has influenza rose in general every year for some time now?  Has heart disease lowered in its categorized totals? How about Dementia? Why did these categories lower in totals? No explanation of perceived or clinical reasons for the reduction in these diseases.  

 

Yes I totally agree akirby we have a next step in the flu category talking life. As humans do we truly categorize specific deaths in the proper column? Do we see a tendency to add to one category as it is seen as proper for the current situation? Do humans operate on all levels in a peer pressure situation to make their operations/jobs convenient?

 

My points and/or questions are, yes we have seen an increase in total deaths in general for the recording of death for 2020. Is the increase in one certain category as large as human nature is portraying? Can the increase be spread through out the different categories? Would proper placement of deaths lower the focal points deaths totals?  Human nature looks for convenience and/or benefits in all situations, could the generated totals be altered to fit these convenience's or generate some sort of benefit?

 

It is hard to understand why certain categories dropped in total numbers when in the same time frame the focal point of the crisis is jumping or being tallied at such rates that reflect or absorb the complete lowering totals of all the other categories. Basically, we show a decrease in these same categories that have a history of yearly increase. In the view of some, this should be mathematically heralded as one of two things a) celebrated progress in the lowering of the category`s number or b) grab the opportunity to high light the large number of the focal points listed numbers.    

 

Are all deaths categorized properly or ethically? Is the bottom line. Did we see a large increase, yes. Could the recent years of 80K or 90K increases be a precursor to this years large increase? Then once again 80K, 90K or 200K increases are all monumental at the time they occur but this year there was need, opportunity and benefit for the response seen over the 80K or 90K increases.

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I have the data so I'll take a look at each category compared to the total.   But it only stands to reason that some categories might go down slightly because almost all Covid classified deaths are due to some underlying condition including age.

 

E.g. let's say we normally see 1000 deaths per week due to heart attacks.  But now we see 1100 and of those 1100 200 are Covid positive.  From a statistical standpoint you can say that 100 of those 200 with Covid would have died from a heart attack anyway, but 100 would not.   So Covid was responsible for 100 more deaths.

 

And let's remember that Covid isn't directly causing a lot of deaths - it's mainly just accelerating deaths in unhealthy people who would have most likely died from natural causes or from their underlying conditions over the next few months or years - like any other flu virus.  This one is just more contagious and doesn't go away in the summertime and lacked a vaccine until now.

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To my point, 

 

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Latest on President-elect Joe Biden (all times local):

5:40 p.m.

President-elect Jobama has issued a dire warning about the spread of the coronavirus over the next two months, predicting as many as 250,000 deaths.

Jobama, who has warned of a “dark winter” ahead, did not offer details to back up his assessment, which is far bleaker than projections by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and other experts. His transition team did not immediately respond to a request to clarify the remarks.

Jobama made the remarks Wednesday in a livestreamed roundtable with workers affected by the pandemic, making an appeal to Americans to take the virus seriously. Or Else dam It….

 

There have been approximately 273,000 COVID “caused” (mislabeled or mis categorized) deaths since the beginning of the pandemic back in March. So now we will dam near double that in a couple months?

 

Once again, my point is in “who is keeping score”? Hell… for years I knew the Cubs score board guys were picking up the same incentives as the medical facilities are currently…. from Cardinal fans...

 

We will never cut through the bullshit, hype, opportunists or fear mongering to see the truth in the numbers. Because..... use car sales personel and political war opponents have a very heavy need to "lie". 

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"And let's remember that Covid isn't directly causing a lot of deaths - it's mainly just accelerating deaths in unhealthy people who would have most likely died from natural causes or from their underlying conditions over the next few months or years - like any other flu virus."

 

You and I see that very cleary and I counld`t agree more. Yes total death rate is going up but is it specific to one singular condition? The war lords and their media menions are pressing for their opportunities with the word "of" and leaving out the medically backed word "with".  

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2 hours ago, Decker said:

"And let's remember that Covid isn't directly causing a lot of deaths - it's mainly just accelerating deaths in unhealthy people who would have most likely died from natural causes or from their underlying conditions over the next few months or years - like any other flu virus."

 

You and I see that very cleary and I counld`t agree more. Yes total death rate is going up but is it specific to one singular condition? The war lords and their media menions are pressing for their opportunities with the word "of" and leaving out the medically backed word "with".  

 

One thing CCP WuFlu has confirmed, we are a pretty unhealthy nation in aggregate (Bill Maher, who I am not a fan of, made a comment in the form of satire of this condition).  Millions of Americans on prescription drugs that suppress the immune system to solve another issue, things way out of balance. Immune system suppression making folks at greater risk.

 

CCP WuFlu: Approx just under 3 deaths per 1000 confirmed cases or  >.003 (varies regionally, my County is actually .0019), which is pretty low, and in line with seasonal flu and pneumonia.

 

BUT the true 'case count' could be up to 10x higher* than the actual 'confirmed' cases, so the denominator in the equation is likely much greater, making the actual risk so extremely low.

 

All this being blown out of proportion by the forces of left-wing politics.  Sure it's a nasty flu, I likely had it myself, and I know several people who had 'confirmed' cases.  Everyone is OK, now.  I am aware of one suicide by a family member of a friend due to factors including job losses.  So anecdotally, I don't personally know of any deaths from CCP WuFlu in itself, but I know of one death from the invasive polices around the disease.  I am a believer the 'cure' is worse than the disease.

 

*per CDC case studies in population centers

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5 hours ago, akirby said:

And let's remember that Covid isn't directly causing a lot of deaths - it's mainly just accelerating deaths in unhealthy people who would have most likely died from natural causes or from their underlying conditions over the next few months or years - like any other flu virus.  This one is just more contagious and doesn't go away in the summertime and lacked a vaccine until now.

 

I know these nursing home and long term care deaths are someone's family members and loved ones.  I have lived through many deaths of loved ones, and I am not intentionally being 'insensitive'. 

The average life expectancy of someone in a nursing home is approx 2 years.  Using the standard laws of rounding, anyone in a nursing home > 1.5 years could be listed as 'natural causes'. 

I only hope to myself, to have the courage and dignity of my family members who passed at old age when my time comes. 

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It's a fact that the average American is at much greater risk than most other countries because we have more health issues - generally speaking.   And we probably aren't testing as many people (percentage wise) as some smaller countries so those combined will always show us with a higher death rate.

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2 hours ago, akirby said:

It's a fact that the average American is at much greater risk than most other countries because we have more health issues - generally speaking.   

 

I believe this is the biggest news story of the whole fiasco.  One that is 'insensitive' and not politically correct to report by the MSM.

 

One would think that 'common sense' would send a call to action for the 'general population' to get into some reasonable level of fitness and health.

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48 minutes ago, Kev-Mo said:

One would think that 'common sense' would send a call to action for the 'general population' to get into some reasonable level of fitness and health.


Common sense doesn't exist anymore. If it did, the twitter mob wouldn't be as powerful as it is. 

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