jpd80 Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 (edited) And of course, if manufacturers stop making as many ICEs and start offering more BEVs, you’re going to see more buyers goaded into BEVs as a matter of being a responsible citizen making right choices. Edited December 5, 2020 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 On 12/4/2020 at 7:45 PM, bzcat said: The other subtext that a lot of you are missing is the proposed (or enacted) bans are generally supported either overly or quietly by car companies. The politics of banning ICE only sales is a lagging indicator... basically the pols are taking cues from the car companies in their home turf and the car companies are saying "we got this". But til the polical winds change, there was a rather large subset of company’s (GM cough cough) that didn’t have their come to Jesus moment till very recently. The auto industry is also unque because they need roughly three to five years to get new products out-so things that are being worked on today won’t see the light of day til post 2024 or so. what it boils down to is how fast the market will convert over. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 (edited) 16 hours ago, silvrsvt said: what it boils down to is how fast the market will convert over. Yes sir. Government action, such as the bans announced by U.K., some EU countries, China, Japan, and some parts of the U.S. and Canada, can help the automotive industry which by and large is already committed to a 100% electric vehicle future make that transition faster. Also in the U.K., Competition and Markets Authority is doing a study on the EV charging market there to help ensure it serves BEV customers well. https://www.gov.uk/government/news/cma-to-examine-electric-vehicle-charging-sector Edited December 8, 2020 by rperez817 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 On 12/7/2020 at 8:35 AM, rperez817 said: Yes sir. Government action, such as the bans announced by U.K., some EU countries, China, Japan, and some parts of the U.S. and Canada, can help the automotive industry which by and large is already committed to a 100% electric vehicle future make that transition faster. You'd be wrong about that....case in point Japan: https://www.autoweek.com/news/green-cars/a34893024/japan-plans-to-ban-gasoline-car-sales-by-2035-but-hybrids-will-remain/?source=nl&utm_source=nl_aut&utm_medium=email&date=120820&utm_campaign=nl22325316&utm_term=AAA -- High Minus Dormant and 90 Day Non Openers However, this plan still permits hybrid sales, more or less mirroring China's treatment of hybrids and EVs as New Energy Vehicles. So it won't be a true ban on internal combustion engines. The death of ICE engines is greatly exaggerated...they'll add hybrids, but they aren't going away like you keep claiming they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 (edited) In places like the UK, it's easy to see why the odds are stacked against PHEVs, with those zero emission zones around city centers forcing PHEVs to drive in charge sustain mode but if vehicles aren't going to any zero emission zones then drivers get the full benefits of the electric side. I think this opens the door to lower cost shorter range BEVs of say, 100- 125 mile range I suspect a lot of Brit commuters would be fine with that provided they work well in almost gridlock traffic and a topping up charge at work/ parking stations is an option, it may be easier to charge at work than charging at home all the time. Maybe the Focus EV was ahead of its time and pitched to the wrong buyers/country... Edited December 10, 2020 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harley Lover Posted December 10, 2020 Author Share Posted December 10, 2020 (edited) In Europe, hybrids are making solid gains in the marketplace: Quote Electric and electrified models are changing the makeup of the mainstream compact segment, traditionally Europe's second largest after small cars, as incentives and shifting customer preferences have boosted sales of models with alternative powertrains from Volkswagen and Toyota, among others, in 2020. In the first nine months of the year, electrified drivetrains accounted for almost a fifth of sales in the segment, up from 10.6 percent last year, led by demand for full hybrids as well as full-electric cars, according to figures from market researcher JATO Dynamics. The Toyota Corolla, Europe's best-selling hybrid so far this year, registered a rare increase in sales through September at a time when demand for most rival nameplates has been cut by the pandemic. The Toyota Corolla was the only model among Europe's top 10-selling compacts to increase sales in the first nine months. A key reason for the boost was the strong-selling hybrid version of the Corolla. The Corolla's gain pushed it into to fourth place in the segment behind the VW Golf, Skoda Octavia and Ford Focus as it overtook longstanding top-sellers from Peugeot, Renault and Opel/Vauxhall. https://europe.autonews.com/automakers/electrification-gains-speed-europes-key-compact-segment?utm_source=daily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20201210&utm_content=hero-headline Edited December 10, 2020 by Harley Lover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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