jpd80 Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, fuzzymoomoo said: It's going to be interesting to see how they work in building Ranger amongst Bronco Now that is a pickle, so maybe they do a batches of Bronco shells and then Ranger shells. I guess that the body shop has to have plenty of shells already built for the day's production. And then there's paint knowing which bodies are required in what colour. Edited December 14, 2020 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 14 minutes ago, jpd80 said: Now that is a pickle, so maybe they do a batches of Bronco shells and then Ranger shells. I guess that the body shop has to have plenty of shells already built for the day's production. And then there's paint knowing which bodies are required in what colour. You misunderstand me. Both body shells are produced at the same time, just like every other body shop in existence. I've probably already said too much so I'm going to stop there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, fuzzymoomoo said: You misunderstand me. Absolutely misunderstood, I went back and edited what you said, so feel free to delete whatever you need. Edited December 14, 2020 by jpd80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oac98 Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 9 hours ago, fuzzymoomoo said: You misunderstand me. Both body shells are produced at the same time, just like every other body shop in existence. I've probably already said too much so I'm going to stop there. Exactly it’s called flexible manufacturing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 14 hours ago, Oacjay98 said: Exactly it’s called flexible manufacturing. Yes but he was talking about something else and I completely missed his point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oac98 Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 3 hours ago, jpd80 said: Yes but he was talking about something else and I completely missed his point Ok that’s understandable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 46 minutes ago, Oacjay98 said: Ok that’s understandable. I was talking about how we can only build front floor pans for either Ranger or Bronco, like most other sub-assemblies, not both simultaneously. He mistook that for the whole body shell. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oac98 Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 54 minutes ago, fuzzymoomoo said: I was talking about how we can only build front floor pans for either Ranger or Bronco, like most other sub-assemblies, not both simultaneously. He mistook that for the whole body shell. Yup same underpinning for front pans. Just like over here same underbodies for Edge/Nautilus then different bodyside turntables. Nautilus Mkt and Flex used to be on one turntable then edge had its own obviously because it’s the main vehicle. Every plants bodybuild in the ford system probably has a somewhat similar assembly sequence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Oacjay98 said: Yup same underpinning for front pans. Just like over here same underbodies for Edge/Nautilus then different bodyside turntables. Nautilus Mkt and Flex used to be on one turntable then edge had its own obviously because it’s the main vehicle. Every plants bodybuild in the ford system probably has a somewhat similar assembly sequence. It's similar here but we don't use turntables for bodysides. Ranger and Bronco have their own dedicated lines for construction then meet in the middle of the building. You can see a video of the Ranger one briefly on youtube. Edited December 15, 2020 by fuzzymoomoo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oac98 Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 1 hour ago, fuzzymoomoo said: It's similar here but we don't use turntables for bodysides. Ranger and Bronco have their own dedicated lines for construction then meet in the middle of the building. You can see a video of the Ranger one briefly on youtube. I will check the video out. That’s different forsure if you have dedicated lines. Everything is pretty intertwined here as Edge and Nautilus are pretty much the same darn thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 1 hour ago, fuzzymoomoo said: It's similar here but we don't use turntables for bodysides. Ranger and Bronco have their own dedicated lines for construction then meet in the middle of the building. You can see a video of the Ranger one briefly on youtube. Thanks for the clarification of the difference with Ranger/Bronco construction It also reveals why Bronco wouldn't be an "easy addition" to other Ranger plants. The Everest is more like a Ranger stationwagon but maybe that is over simplistic and belies a lot of the changes done to deliver an SUV versus a pickup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 5 hours ago, jpd80 said: Thanks for the clarification of the difference with Ranger/Bronco construction It also reveals why Bronco wouldn't be an "easy addition" to other Ranger plants. The Everest is more like a Ranger stationwagon but maybe that is over simplistic and belies a lot of the changes done to deliver an SUV versus a pickup. The North American Ranger itself is built with an entirely different process than the rest of the world. It's part of a new process that's supposed to result in less system damage and therefore the need to scrap less bodies. Again, you can see it a little bit on YouTube. From what I understand it has worked as intended. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 More potential bad news https://fordauthority.com/2020/12/ford-vehicle-production-threatened-by-potential-microchip-shortage/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurgeh Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, fuzzymoomoo said: More potential bad news https://fordauthority.com/2020/12/ford-vehicle-production-threatened-by-potential-microchip-shortage/ Not to get conspiratorial, but it will be interesting to see if the shortage of Chinese auto microchips impacts Chinese automakers as well as foreign makes like Ford, VW and the rest... Edited December 16, 2020 by Gurgeh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonj80 Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 4 hours ago, fuzzymoomoo said: More potential bad news https://fordauthority.com/2020/12/ford-vehicle-production-threatened-by-potential-microchip-shortage/ The problem with this shortage is that it will be every manufacturer as well as almost any product you buy; from refrigerators and stoves to computers and phones. Even things like network routing equipment are becoming in short supply. What’s making things even worse is that people are stockpiling because of the shortage when they can find items. It’s the issue when the global supply chain puts certain products in certain countries because of the manufacturing techniques that are required are not accepted in most places. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev-Mo Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 2 hours ago, jasonj80 said: It’s the issue when the global supply chain puts certain products in certain countries because of the manufacturing techniques that are required are not accepted in most places. Right! Exactly! Bingo! Because Chinese batteries, and solar panels manufactured using techniques that would be environmentally unacceptable here, and shipping them across the world on filthy polluting trans-oceanic ships makes ignorant Americans think they are saving all of us from global warming. I swear common sense is completely gone from everyday society. 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonj80 Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 43 minutes ago, Kev-Mo said: Right! Exactly! Bingo! Because Chinese batteries, and solar panels manufactured using techniques that would be environmentally unacceptable here, and shipping them across the world on filthy polluting trans-oceanic ships makes ignorant Americans think they are saving all of us from global warming. I swear common sense is completely gone from everyday society. You forgot pharmaceuticals as well. I don't see it so its okay, NIMBY! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev-Mo Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 1 hour ago, jasonj80 said: You forgot pharmaceuticals as well. I don't see it so its okay, NIMBY! And of course- the beloved iPhone... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oac98 Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 14 hours ago, fuzzymoomoo said: More potential bad news https://fordauthority.com/2020/12/ford-vehicle-production-threatened-by-potential-microchip-shortage/ Too much outsourcing and we’re too damn dependant on China and other jurisdictions. Everything is cost related but my goodness can’t some of these things be built over in N/A for an affordable price! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
probowler Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 (edited) On 12/16/2020 at 4:36 AM, Gurgeh said: Not to get conspiratorial, but it will be interesting to see if the shortage of Chinese auto microchips impacts Chinese automakers as well as foreign makes like Ford, VW and the rest... How is that conspiratorial in the slightest? China bought up medical PPE around the world and shipped it back to China before the wuflu was well known. Cargo ships were turned around mid trip and returned to China. They absolutely will take care of their own needs first. Edited December 17, 2020 by probowler 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice-capades Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 (edited) Ford giving Bronco reservation holders $100 due to production delay. Money will come as a credit to a customer's FordPass Rewards account. https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/ford-bronco-reservation-holders-delay Edited December 17, 2020 by ice-capades 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PREMiERdrum Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 59 minutes ago, ice-capades said: Ford giving Bronco reservation holders $100 due to production delay. Money will come as a credit to a customer's FordPass Rewards account. https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/ford-bronco-reservation-holders-delay We got an email about this the other day... Bronco owners will get a total of $300 in FordPass Rewards that can be used for accessories, swag, etc. Not a bad olive branch. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 One guy on Facebook has declared the Sport a sales failure because he doesn’t like the interior color on the top level trim. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 7 minutes ago, akirby said: One guy on Facebook has declared the Sport a sales failure because he doesn’t like the interior color on the top level trim. There's some that have done that here for less Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PREMiERdrum Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 Just now, fuzzymoomoo said: There's some that have done that here for less One of my favorite progressions: BON, 2011- The Explorer CAN'T go FWD, it's bound to fail! BON, 2019- The Explorer CAN'T go RWD, it's bound to fail! 7 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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