sullynd Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 Ford has order tracking for people who reserved the Mach-E (my dealer screwed mine up, but that’s for another thread) yesterday many people in the forums received emails letting them know their Mach-E, some due within days, would be delayed two months. Stuff happens, and I want this to be a good launch, but if I was expecting the car I reserved a year ago next week only to be told yesterday it’s two months I’d be pissed. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyle Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 I would be pissed as well....they must of come across something and are holding them? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackinaw Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 I wouldn't be happy either, but it looks like Ford is serious about improving quality. The last thing they want is a headline saying that the Mach-E is already being recalled. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 31 minutes ago, mackinaw said: I wouldn't be happy either, but it looks like Ford is serious about improving quality. Yes sir mackinaw. My wife and I are willing to wait a little longer for our Mustang Mach-E First Edition. It's the first completely new or redesigned Ford product in its first model year we've purchased, and we acknowledged that it is likely to have its share of problems. If Ford fixes some or most of these problems before customer order Mach-E ship to dealerships, that's definitely a good thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice-capades Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 Here's the article that was posted at the Ford Authority site this morning. https://fordauthority.com/2021/01/ford-issues-mustang-mach-e-stop-ship-to-address-quality-related-issue/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 As of January 1, inventory was about 1,500. There's probably quite a few earmarked for Europe maybe already on their way.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ausrutherford Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 13 minutes ago, jpd80 said: As of January 1, inventory was about 1,500. There's probably quite a few earmarked for Europe maybe already on their way.... The first allotment was to Europe. I'm sure just takes time to get there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snooter Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 There goes the mustang name-plate to the garbage pile due to that lectric crap pile....thank you ford for destroying the stang name 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 55 minutes ago, snooter said: There goes the mustang name-plate to the garbage pile due to that lectric crap pile....thank you ford for destroying the stang name Nothing that happens to Mach - E will do anything to the Mustang name. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hand-filer Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 2 hours ago, snooter said: There goes the mustang name-plate to the garbage pile due to that lectric crap pile....thank you ford for destroying the stang name I bought my first Mustang in 1974 and still own one. I can also see myself owning a Mach-E one day too. Not understanding why so many folks get their shorts all twisted up over this. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzymoomoo Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 45 minutes ago, hand-filer said: I bought my first Mustang in 1974 and still own one. I can also see myself owning a Mach-E one day too. Not understanding why so many folks get their shorts all twisted up over this. Luddites (especially that guy in particular) who think it's still 1969. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullynd Posted January 18, 2021 Author Share Posted January 18, 2021 3 hours ago, akirby said: Nothing that happens to Mach - E will do anything to the Mustang name. Except perhaps allow Ford to continue to offer a V8 coupe. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 14 hours ago, akirby said: Nothing that happens to Mach - E will do anything to the Mustang name. Mach-E enhances the Mustang name. It's the first step in making Mustang a successful sub-brand for Ford. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FordBuyer Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 2 hours ago, rperez817 said: Mach-E enhances the Mustang name. It's the first step in making Mustang a successful sub-brand for Ford. Sport coupe market is not exactly growing. So Ford had to do something as the Sport coupe market slowly shrinks. Even Porsche understood that they had to do more than the 911 to survive. So brilliant move by Ford to expand the Mustang lineup into a growing segment. Being compared favorably to the Model Y is not a negative. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FR739 Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 6 hours ago, FordBuyer said: Sport coupe market is not exactly growing. So Ford had to do something as the Sport coupe market slowly shrinks. Even Porsche understood that they had to do more than the 911 to survive. So brilliant move by Ford to expand the Mustang lineup into a growing segment. Being compared favorably to the Model Y is not a negative. I love the Porsche comparison. It’s in no way analogous to calling the Mach-E a Mustang. I wish Ford hadn’t used the Mustang name on an electric SUV but it is what it is. I really don’t think they needed to. They have many names they could have used from past. Fairlane, Galax-E, etc. A name does not make or break a vehicle. It could have been called E-Conoline for all it matters. The end result needs to be a quality and successful vehicle and aside from some issues with their charging partner and some quality issues (the basis for this thread) it seems to be a very competent and well received vehicle. But it’s no Mustang. I guess that makes me a Luddite lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 1 hour ago, FR739 said: I love the Porsche comparison. It’s in no way analogous to calling the Mach-E a Mustang. I wish Ford hadn’t used the Mustang name on an electric SUV but it is what it is. I really don’t think they needed to. They have many names they could have used from past. Fairlane, Galax-E, etc. A name does not make or break a vehicle. It could have been called E-Conoline for all it matters. The end result needs to be a quality and successful vehicle and aside from some issues with their charging partner and some quality issues (the basis for this thread) it seems to be a very competent and well received vehicle. But it’s no Mustang. I guess that makes me a Luddite lol. Before Cayenne, Porsche was synonymous with 911. The Porsche name was synonymous with performance and exclusivity. When Cayenne debuted Porsche loyalists lost their minds but all their angst was unfounded. As long as Mach-E maintains mustang like performance (like Cayenne and Panamera did for Porsche) then it will be successful and that’s all that matters. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 9 minutes ago, akirby said: As long as Mach-E maintains mustang like performance (like Cayenne and Panamera did for Porsche) then it will be successful and that’s all that matters. Mach-E also has Mustang like styling, which makes it a standout among crossover vehicles. It's the first crossover in history that's neither ugly nor boring. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atomcat68 Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 On 1/18/2021 at 6:58 PM, akirby said: Before Cayenne, Porsche was synonymous with 911. The Porsche name was synonymous with performance and exclusivity. When Cayenne debuted Porsche loyalists lost their minds but all their angst was unfounded. As long as Mach-E maintains mustang like performance (like Cayenne and Panamera did for Porsche) then it will be successful and that’s all that matters. And I also remember people being angry with the 928 and 944 because they weren't rear engine and they felt that that wouldn't be a real Porsche. But people adjust. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slemke Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 3 hours ago, atomcat68 said: And I also remember people being angry with the 928 and 944 because they weren't rear engine and they felt that that wouldn't be a real Porsche. But people adjust. Add the first water-cooled 911s to the list. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 7 hours ago, slemke said: Add the first water-cooled 911s to the list. And the new turbo engines. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FordBuyer Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 1 hour ago, akirby said: And the new turbo engines. And ending manual trans on many lines. Now the PDK is a great trans, but nothing like winding out a Flat 6 to red line. Unlike many V8s, the Flat 6 nontubo really kicks in after you pass 4500 rpm right up to about 7000 rpm much like the Voodoo Mustang GT350. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, FordBuyer said: And ending manual trans on many lines. Now the PDK is a great trans, but nothing like winding out a Flat 6 to red line. Unlike many V8s, the Flat 6 nontubo really kicks in after you pass 4500 rpm right up to about 7000 rpm much like the Voodoo Mustang GT350. What makes you think the PDK won’t wind it out to redline? I drove the GT3 pdk twice on the track and the pdk kept it in the perfect gear at all times downshifting as needed. Edited January 20, 2021 by akirby 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 On 1/18/2021 at 7:31 AM, snooter said: There goes the mustang name-plate to the garbage pile due to that lectric crap pile....thank you ford for destroying the stang name Over 7,000 Mach Es produced so far, holding back several hundred until they pass quality checks is chicken feed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7Mary3 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 This is interesting. If you get past all the GM hoopla, the analyst brings up a very interesting point about potential liability issues for ICE auto manufacturers in the future ('toxic tort'). He also believes the adoption of BEV's will be sudden and dramatic, and if he is right I wonder if there will be a possibility of companies like GM and Ford spinning off their 'traditional' ICE vehicle businesses in the face of rapidly declining business and huge potential liabilities: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 1 hour ago, 7Mary3 said: This is interesting. If you get past all the GM hoopla, the analyst brings up a very interesting point about potential liability issues for ICE auto manufacturers in the future ('toxic tort'). He also believes the adoption of BEV's will be sudden and dramatic, and if he is right I wonder if there will be a possibility of companies like GM and Ford spinning off their 'traditional' ICE vehicle businesses in the face of rapidly declining business and huge potential liabilities: Yes sir 7Mary3, Adam Jonas is one of the smartest and most insightful analysts out there. He is correct about the potential "toxic tort" liability issues for any company involved with the manufacture and sale of fossil fuel burning ICE cars and trucks. There's no denying the unsustainable nature of those products. Jonas also has a good comment about incumbent automakers' (especially GM's) transition to 100% electric cars at 2:12 in the video. "The [automotive] industry can thank Elon Musk in some ways for waking them up and putting that urgency there" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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