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5 hours ago, Twin Turbo said:

I like Jimmy Dinsmore and it was good of him to use his contacts within Ford to put some context around the Auto Forecast Solutions report. Thing is, AFS seem to be a reputable industry source so either they know something we don't (ie S650/'23MY has been cancelled) or something was lost in translation (which I suspect is what's happened).

 

I will be VERY surprised if S650/23MY has been cancelled as, timing wise, we should be very close to seeing prototypes on the road within the next 3 months.......assuming a spring reveal of the '23MY car with it starting production Sept/Oct 2022.

I think maybe there was just a case of confusion with the AFS regarding the S650. They may not be aware that the S650 is coming soon and is an updated S550 with new tophat. They think the S650 is the all-new generation and be EV only which is likely the S750 one. I think there may be a reveal of some kind around the April 17th historical date but it would probably be a Concept form of it. Then the Production reveal the next year (April 17th, 2022 at which it goes on sale later in that year). Even if covid goes away by then, I doubt the upcoming reveal would be held at any auto show events as that tradition has already started to fade the past few years. The Raptor will be revealed via YouTube on February 3rd so I see something similar for the next Mustang. Even if covid is finally gone, the Mustang reveal would probably be in front of seated auto journalists and then the Concept shown at any subsequent auto shows. But we'll see what Ford has planned.

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On 1/23/2021 at 11:39 AM, rperez817 said:

 

The husband and daughter of the hobo lady killed in that incident, and the law firm representing them, pursued an out of court settlement with Uber. https://www.reuters.com/article/autos-selfdriving-uber-settlement/uber-reaches-settlement-with-family-of-autonomous-vehicle-victim-idINL1N1RB01J

 

Interesting as I did not know that. The settlement came within 10 days of her death which is lightning fast.

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1 hour ago, jcartwright99 said:

 

Interesting as I did not know that. The settlement came within 10 days of her death which is lightning fast.


They knew 100% it was their fault, they had all the video --  their driver was watching TV and they had disabled the factory Volvo (Autoliv) system, which actually saw her and would have intervened had it not be deactivated. The last thing Waymo wanted was to go to discovery where their trade secrets and programming would be seen by others as well as go to a jury trial.  

 

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21 hours ago, pffan1990 said:

 I think there may be a reveal of some kind around the April 17th historical date but it would probably be a Concept form of it. 

 

Ford haven't given is a Mustang concept since the S197 was previewed by the stunning concept in 2003.

 

Most commentators that reported on the "progressive energy in strength" sculpture that was shown at the Chinese auto show back in October seem to think it previews S650. I hope so, because it looks gorgeous to me!

 

 

S650 Concept I.jpg

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On 26/01/2021 at 10:01 AM, MadManMoon said:

I feel like this was effectively an S550 concept, just 4 years early:

Not really, others expressed that theory after release but it was dismissed  when Evos

was shown to be a FWD Hybrid, it was purely a demonstration of Kinetic 2 styling.

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On 31/01/2021 at 12:12 AM, MadManMoon said:

I meant in terms of styling, not architecture or powertrain.

Appreciate that but it wasn't Mustang specific though, that front clip was a good indicator of what we could

expect with corporate styling including Mustang. Kinetic 2 was an evolution of the European Kinetic styling 

but equally, you're right in  that Mustang styling was already set by the time Evos was shown in 2011.

 

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On 1/25/2021 at 4:01 PM, MadManMoon said:

I feel like this was effectively an S550 concept, just 4 years early:

 

 

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I agree, Ford was already designing stuff like this in 2010! Evos definitely was meant to signal what was being devised, but couldn't be shown yet.

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On 1/31/2021 at 12:49 PM, jpd80 said:

Appreciate that but it wasn't Mustang specific though, that front clip was a good indicator of what we could

expect with corporate styling including Mustang. Kinetic 2 was an evolution of the European Kinetic styling 

but equally, you're right in  that Mustang styling was already set by the time Evos was shown in 2011.

 

It wasn't Mustang specific, but the front end of Evos definitely previewed it on the grille and lower half. For years I just called it the Fusion concept, until I realized upfront it somewhat teased the Mustang. The Evos headlight shape was Mustang, while the placement against the grille was more Fusion/Mondeo. Mustang was positioned lower.

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However, I don't think they were done by the summer of 2011, when everything wrapped on Evos and they prepared for Frankfurt 2011.

 

This is where Ford was circa fall of 2011:

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According to a magazine and some insiders, it was definitive and a final choice was made around January 2012, Theme A.

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For some reason Ford didn't feel it was 100% yet, so instead reached that final point in the summer of 2012 when it was handed off to engineering, but didn't really lock it in until late in the year. You can see how some details are missing in that early 2012 review, meaning they achieved all of what we know as the 2015-17 by summer.

 

By December (guessing), it was 99.9% final. It was rumored some changes were made in 2012 that delayed things, which explains how they locked in the final interior first, 5-6 months before the exterior. Usually exteriors are done first, but cuz of revisions, it got flipped.

 

Tyler Blake who designed the '03 Expy and '04 F150 in the late 90s as a young dude, submitted these in 2010 and in 2011. Mays knew what he wanted. The Evos looking that way, was intentional.

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The Fusion/Mondeo actually differs from Evos in some ways, that the S550 adopted instead.

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8 minutes ago, JX1 said:

Tyler Blake who designed the '03 Expy and '04 F150 in the late 90s as a young dude, submitted these in 2010 and in 2011. Mays knew what he wanted. The Evos looking that way, was intentional.

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Yuck, that looks way too much like the Crapmaro.

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On 1/23/2021 at 1:50 PM, fuzzymoomoo said:


Honestly I'm not in favor of any new taxes in general but since the current way of funding roads clearly is broken change is needed. Per mile is probably fairest as far as the average public goes. That could quickly become untenable for long distance trucking companies so either they pay per mile at a reduced rate than light duty passenger vehicles or a flat annual rate. 

We get the shit screwed out of us on fuel taxes. 

 

NM & OR have both fuel tax & per mile rates.

 

The way trucks pay fuel tax is as follows: total miles driven (all states) over the quarter is divided by the total fuel purchased (all states) to get an average mpg. Then miles per state are calculated, divided by mpg to get usage. Fuel gallons purchased is subtracted from that, then multiplied by the tax rate plus any applicable surcharge. 

 

Bottom line comes out to trucks pay 10-15 times fuel tax than do cars. We pay our share. Don't get me started on tolls ($115 to cross the GWB).

 

Where the real issues are; not fuel taxes. It's where that money GOES is the issue. Fuel tax revenues have been an ATM for states for far too long & now the golden goose is dying.

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50 minutes ago, 351cid said:

We get the shit screwed out of us on fuel taxes. 

 

NM & OR have both fuel tax & per mile rates.

 

The way trucks pay fuel tax is as follows: total miles driven (all states) over the quarter is divided by the total fuel purchased (all states) to get an average mpg. Then miles per state are calculated, divided by mpg to get usage. Fuel gallons purchased is subtracted from that, then multiplied by the tax rate plus any applicable surcharge. 

 

Bottom line comes out to trucks pay 10-15 times fuel tax than do cars. We pay our share. Don't get me started on tolls ($115 to cross the GWB).

 

Where the real issues are; not fuel taxes. It's where that money GOES is the issue. Fuel tax revenues have been an ATM for states for far too long & now the golden goose is dying.

Not so sure about the ATM being out of money.  States will treat gasoline as a sin tax and levy the fees similar to alcohol and tobacco.  Keep it around for those addicted to it for the ATM to supply revenue to “worthy” projects.

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On 1/20/2021 at 12:59 AM, ausrutherford said:

For MY23, Mustang gets hybrid. For MY28, it gets a BEV version.

For model year 2028 the unique version of the Mustang will be BEV.  The  ICE Mustang will be dead by then, as every other passenger car in the Ford line up. 

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