rperez817 Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 (edited) 33 minutes ago, silvrsvt said: I was coming up with references to a HF35 unit. Yes sir, HF35 is the designation for Ford's eCVT power split transmission. It is based on an Aisin design but is manufactured in-house by Ford at its Van Dyke Electric Powertrain Center in Sterling Heights, Michigan. Video by Professor Kelly at Weber State University about this transmission. Edited June 14, 2021 by rperez817 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FordBuyer Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 44 minutes ago, sullynd said: My understanding is it’s Ford sourced and based on the six speed tranny. It’s an e-CVT. https://www.thecarconnection.com/news/1060959_ford-announces-eight-speed-ecvt-transmissions All I know is the CVT works much better in my Ford Hybrid than on my Crosstrek. Maybe because on startup and 1st mile or so it operates on electric motor also. But even when the engine kicks in no jerkiness. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 12 minutes ago, FordBuyer said: All I know is the CVT works much better in my Ford Hybrid than on my Crosstrek. Maybe because on startup and 1st mile or so it operates on electric motor also. But even when the engine kicks in no jerkiness. Ford's software engineers did a great job with the programming for HF35. As you mentioned, the transitions from electric motor to gasoline engine are seamless, and the transmission's behavior in general is super smooth. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, FordBuyer said: All I know is the CVT works much better in my Ford Hybrid than on my Crosstrek. Maybe because on startup and 1st mile or so it operates on electric motor also. But even when the engine kicks in no jerkiness. Subaru uses a belt drive CVT with seven steps to approximate the feel of a regular automatic but the Ford system uses epicyclic gears like an auto and balances ICE and drive motor gearing with a second electric motor, similar to Toyota and works much better. Edited June 14, 2021 by jpd80 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FordBuyer Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 29 minutes ago, jpd80 said: Subaru uses a belt drive CVT with seven steps to approximate the feel of a regular automatic but the Ford system uses epicyclic gears like an auto and balances ICE and drive motor gearing with a second electric motor, similar to Toyota and works much better. Yes, my Crosstrek had paddle shifters that I never used. The CVT did work well once engine warmed up, and it got 26-30 mpg depending upon the driving routine. The Escape is bigger in every way and doubles the fuel mileage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonj80 Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 (edited) After seeing a bunch on non camo Mavericks today, there’s a slight problem with the design with the tow hitch which hopefully they can fix with a design update. The rear license plate is offset on the passenger side of the bumper. Like this is fine we’ll just slap it over here, it messes up the balance of the rear. Edited June 14, 2021 by jasonj80 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 1 hour ago, jasonj80 said: After seeing a bunch on non camo Mavericks today, there’s a slight problem with the design with the tow hitch which hopefully they can fix with a design update. The rear license plate is offset on the passenger side of the bumper. Like this is fine we’ll just slap it over here, it messes up the balance of the rear. This was seen on camoed versions and has been discussed before, it will upset those with OCD but most will be fine with it. Maverick has a lot lower tide height, so the licence plate has to be offset or put on the tailgate 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonj80 Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 I’m one of those OCD types… the plate would look better centered on the tailgate, that would be more expensive and at this price point every dollar counts. I’ll just be annoyed; plus it’s not really targeted to me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 2 hours ago, jasonj80 said: I’m one of those OCD types… the plate would look better centered on the tailgate, that would be more expensive and at this price point every dollar counts. I’ll just be annoyed; plus it’s not really targeted to me. I get it, but there's nowhere else to put it because of bumper height. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANTAUS Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 Just like the lower air damn on Fusion/MKZ/Edge/Nautilus, they couldn't center the opening because of the radar cruise control. So when getting to my car i try not to look down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcartwright99 Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 Is this the "real" competition for the Maverick? I could see a portion of the Civic crowd liking an XLT hybrid that has more utility. Although, a lot of the Civic crowd will only buy Honda's or would never drive a Ford. MT 2022 Honda Civic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PREMiERdrum Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 (edited) :::EDIT: just noticed I posted in the wrong damn thread. Caught up in the moment. Many apologies.::: Edited June 17, 2021 by PREMiERdrum 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpd80 Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 2 hours ago, jcartwright99 said: Is this the "real" competition for the Maverick? I could see a portion of the Civic crowd liking an XLT hybrid that has more utility. Although, a lot of the Civic crowd will only buy Honda's or would never drive a Ford. MT 2022 Honda Civic The market is big enough that any cross shopping will be what buyers do when looking at prices and what they get. So maybe not much sales bleed from Honda but maybe compact buyers get a Maverick instead of a Focus that no longer available…. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 5 hours ago, jpd80 said: The market is big enough that any cross shopping will be what buyers do when looking at prices and what they get. So maybe not much sales bleed from Honda but maybe compact buyers get a Maverick instead of a Focus that no longer available…. I do think a big key here is fuel economy, because that is a concern with smaller cars - if someone can go buy a Maverick that gets the same or better fuel economy as a Civic, I know I'd rather have a truck than a little car. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice-capades Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 (edited) 2022 Maverick Technical Specifications 2022 Maverick Technical Specifications.pdf Edited June 17, 2021 by ice-capades Format 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice-capades Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 (edited) 2022 Maverick FLEXBED Graphic 2022 Maverick_FLEXBED Graphic.pdf Edited June 17, 2021 by ice-capades Format Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice-capades Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 (edited) 2022 Maverick Trailer Towing Guide 2022 Maverick_Trailer Towing Guide.pdf Edited June 17, 2021 by ice-capades Format Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvrsvt Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 14 hours ago, jcartwright99 said: Is this the "real" competition for the Maverick? I could see a portion of the Civic crowd liking an XLT hybrid that has more utility. Although, a lot of the Civic crowd will only buy Honda's or would never drive a Ford. MT 2022 Honda Civic I was just looking at the spec sheet for the Civic and its not a compact or subcompact car anymore...its only 5 inches shorter then the old Fusion or 4 inches shorter then a Bronco 4 door! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 36k reservations in 9 days following reveal. https://www.autonews.com/automakers-suppliers/ford-says-q2-pretax-earnings-will-surpass-its-expectations 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 9 hours ago, rmc523 said: I do think a big key here is fuel economy, because that is a concern with smaller cars - if someone can go buy a Maverick that gets the same or better fuel economy as a Civic, I know I'd rather have a truck than a little car. Bingo. Same price, far more utility and better mpg? No brainer unless you’re just brand loyal. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanh Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 2 hours ago, Anthony said: 36k reservations in 9 days following reveal. https://www.autonews.com/automakers-suppliers/ford-says-q2-pretax-earnings-will-surpass-its-expectations Ive been circumventing that asinine Ford reservation system and putting orders in immediately...all my orders start with the letter D so I can track them easier, plus by putting them in immediately theres no wait...taking the "law" into my own hands....lol... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rperez817 Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 18 hours ago, jcartwright99 said: Is this the "real" competition for the Maverick? I could see a portion of the Civic crowd liking an XLT hybrid that has more utility. Although, a lot of the Civic crowd will only buy Honda's or would never drive a Ford. MT 2022 Honda Civic Thanks for the 2022 Honda Civic review from Motor Trend jcartwright99 sir. Regarding your question, no Honda Civic is not real competition for Ford Maverick. However, some Honda Civic customers who also want or need a pickup truck would be wise to consider Maverick as a supplement to their Civic. Honda's own Ridgeline is an option for these customers, but Ridgeline may be overkill both in terms of size and price for many of them. Maverick's compact size and lower price solves those issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 Speaking of Civics, here's a Maverick next to a Civic from a couple generations ago (posted by @phoebesaid on Twitter) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcartwright99 Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 30 minutes ago, rperez817 said: Thanks for the 2022 Honda Civic review from Motor Trend jcartwright99 sir. Regarding your question, no Honda Civic is not real competition for Ford Maverick. However, some Honda Civic customers who also want or need a pickup truck would be wise to consider Maverick as a supplement to their Civic. Honda's own Ridgeline is an option for these customers, but Ridgeline may be overkill both in terms of size and price for many of them. Maverick's compact size and lower price solves those issues. I'm no marketer, so my demographics research is lacking. In my opinion though I'd think price and MPG would be key factors to success for entry level vehicles. If customers are shopping this price range, wouldn't these two be cross shopped? From what I've seen so far, comparably equipped they should be in roughly the same price range. Overall MPG will probably be close too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, rperez817 said: Thanks for the 2022 Honda Civic review from Motor Trend jcartwright99 sir. Regarding your question, no Honda Civic is not real competition for Ford Maverick. However, some Honda Civic customers who also want or need a pickup truck would be wise to consider Maverick as a supplement to their Civic. Honda's own Ridgeline is an option for these customers, but Ridgeline may be overkill both in terms of size and price for many of them. Maverick's compact size and lower price solves those issues. Glad you know exactly what buyers want 100% of the time! Ford should hire you, they'd never do wrong again! "Honda's own Ridgeline is an option for these customers"......except it isn't if they're concerned about price nor need its capability. At the end of the day, Civic (and Corolla and whatever else) buyers may switch over, they may not. Maverick gives Ford another entry-level product (alongside the woeful EcoSport) that's outside the box vs. the competition, and we'll just have to wait and see how it's received and where the customers come from. I can definitely see potential for it taking further sedan buyers, but it very well may not too. Pretending that one person knows all because the two vehicles aren't the same form factor is naive. Edited June 17, 2021 by rmc523 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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