ice-capades Posted December 12, 2021 Author Share Posted December 12, 2021 11 hours ago, BigDutyDiesel said: @ice-capades i have a rather odd situation, maybe you have experience with this and can advise. My order was submitted by dealer via WBDO on 12/7, the day before MSRP increases went up. Today my sales guy finally got around to sending me the paperwork and the build sheet/DORA which i am supposed to sign had an increased MSRP, not the preview build sheet MSRP pricing we agreed on 12/7. Now he is not sure what to do, says he will reach out to their regional rep on monday to see what can be done. My question is, do you think i might be honored price level 240 given that the order was formally submitted in WBDO on 12/7 or moved to current price level 245 because we did not sign the paperwork in time. Given this wording from above, i’m not sure what to make of it, my thinking is that i’m $1295 screwed now, even though i tried hard to get everything done right prior to msrp increase. Firm 2022-model fleet, retail, and demonstrator orders signed and dated on or before December 7, 2021 and received by Ford Motor Company on or before December 11, 2021 Don't rely on what a sales representative tells you. In addition, a sales representative doesn't have access to the Ford Zone Manager. Talk directly to the Sales Manager or General Manager. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtlasBlue350 Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 I just received my window sticker recently and I noticed the MSRP had gone up $1,295, exactly what they stated in their notice effective December 8th. However, my F350 was order was signed and dated back in September so should be covered by the so called "Price Protection". So is this going to be a hassle between my dealer and myself once the truck is delivered? I've made no changes to the order since the original. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice-capades Posted December 16, 2021 Author Share Posted December 16, 2021 16 minutes ago, AtlasBlue350 said: I just received my window sticker recently and I noticed the MSRP had gone up $1,295, exactly what they stated in their notice effective December 8th. However, my F350 was order was signed and dated back in September so should be covered by the so called "Price Protection". So is this going to be a hassle between my dealer and myself once the truck is delivered? I've made no changes to the order since the original. As posted above. Dealer Invoices and Window Stickers are generated with the prices in effect at the time the vehicle is produced. The price protection for retail orders is an accounting function between the dealership and Ford that adjusts the vehicle prices to those in effect on the original order date. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtlasBlue350 Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 OK, thanks Ice for the clarification Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javashot1 Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 Good information.. My Sept 20th order for a MY21 F150 was converted by Ford to MY22. When the window sticker actually became available there was an increase of about $1,000. This will be good to know in a couple of weeks when I do the paperwork at delivery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorid Posted December 16, 2021 Share Posted December 16, 2021 ice-capades If I remove a item from my build will they be able to charge the $1295 since the order was changed? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhidalgo63 Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 (edited) I ordered my F350back in June under XPlan pricing. When I got access to window sticker last week it shows what looks like coding for Retail pricing. I spoke to the dealership the next day and they told me I will still get XPlan. Question though is does is make a difference in price of the vehicle I will end up paying whether it comes in under XPlan pricing? Or if the dealer gives me the vehicle at XPlan pricing? I'm retired, disabled military but work for a defense contractor that gets XPlan pricing. Looking at cost of the vehicle of what i expected compared to what reality will be once I get the vehicle in my possession. Dealership did not admit anything regarding invoice pricing, just guaranteed XPlan when I asked them last week. Thanks. Edited December 17, 2021 by bhidalgo63 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 X plan is applied at the time of sale. Has nothing to do with how the vehicle is built. Every vehicle has x plan pricing on the invoice. The difference in window stickers is whether it’s a retail (sold) order of dealer stock, neither of which matters as far as x plan. You can buy a dealer stock vehicle using x plan. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhidalgo63 Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 Thanks. I've used XPlan in the past with vehicles off a dealer lot, but had never ordered a vehicle before. THanks again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice-capades Posted December 17, 2021 Author Share Posted December 17, 2021 19 hours ago, yorid said: ice-capades If I remove a item from my build will they be able to charge the $1295 since the order was changed? The retail price protection still applies. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorid Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 2 hours ago, ice-capades said: The retail price protection still applies Thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manko Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 (edited) Ice, I know you’ve answered the question of the retail price protection until you’re blue in the face - but I just want to get your advice on something. I ordered my F450 on November 5th before the $1295 price increase and my order was confirmed that day. The standard price the dealership I ordered from charges for retail orders is Invoice + $450. Today, December 17th, I asked the inventory manager to remove adaptive steering from my build. The new order sheet he sent me to confirm the removal has the new higher base pricing making the net change +$295 after removing the $1,000 feature. I mentioned to him what has been posted here about the price protection for retail orders placed before December 8th, but he genuinely didn’t have a clue about it. He told me they can lock in incentives but that pricing isn’t locked in until after the vehicle is built/invoiced, so he didn’t think the invoiced amount was price protected. He said we would find out after the build occurred. And mind you this is the inventory manager of a very large dealership out here. I saw you mention that Ford would provide Automatic Price Protection for retail orders placed before December 8th, but then you also said in another post “The Dealer files a price protection claim with Ford which is an internal accounting procedure and separate from your purchase agreement with the Dealer.” Now on to my question… Will the pre-December 8th pricing automatically show up when the dealer is actually invoiced for my build (even though I made a change today by removing Adaptive Steering today)? Or will they need to file a price protection claim? I hope it’s not the latter because I honestly don’t think he knows how to do that. Edited December 18, 2021 by manko Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice-capades Posted December 18, 2021 Author Share Posted December 18, 2021 7 hours ago, manko said: Ice, I know you’ve answered the question of the retail price protection until you’re blue in the face - but I just want to get your advice on something. I ordered my F450 on November 5th before the $1295 price increase and my order was confirmed that day. The standard price the dealership I ordered from charges for retail orders is Invoice + $450. Today, December 17th, I asked the inventory manager to remove adaptive steering from my build. The new order sheet he sent me to confirm the removal has the new higher base pricing making the net change +$295 after removing the $1,000 feature. I mentioned to him what has been posted here about the price protection for retail orders placed before December 8th, but he genuinely didn’t have a clue about it. He told me they can lock in incentives but that pricing isn’t locked in until after the vehicle is built/invoiced, so he didn’t think the invoiced amount was price protected. He said we would find out after the build occurred. And mind you this is the inventory manager of a very large dealership out here. I saw you mention that Ford would provide Automatic Price Protection for retail orders placed before December 8th, but then you also said in another post “The Dealer files a price protection claim with Ford which is an internal accounting procedure and separate from your purchase agreement with the Dealer.” Now on to my question… Will the pre-December 8th pricing automatically show up when the dealer is actually invoiced for my build (even though I made a change today by removing Adaptive Steering today)? Or will they need to file a price protection claim? I hope it’s not the latter because I honestly don’t think he knows how to do that. Great! Another clueless Dealer that doesn't know what they're doing! The USOB (Unscheduled Order Bank) doesn't open at the beginning of year unless both complete vehicle specifications AND pricing is available. Retail orders receive automatic price protection for the prices in effect on the day the order was submitted and received by Ford. Dealer Invoices and Window Stickers are generated with the prices in effect at the time the vehicle is produced. The price protection for retail orders is an accounting function between the dealership and Ford that adjusts the vehicle prices to those in effect on the original order date. The WBDO (Web Based Dealer Ordering) system will only display the prices in effect at the time the order specifications on the "Preview" screen are displayed. When Ford announces retail pricing changes, the notice is posted on the main page of the FMCDealer.com portal. As I've posted in the corresponding forum (Ford Retail Price Increases), the notice always includes the information for the retail order price protection. When vehicle specifications are changed, the Dealer simply adjusts the sales agreement and price based on the prices in effect on the original order date. As noted, the Dealer Invoice is created using the pricing in effect at the time the vehicle was produced. The retail order is price protected to the prices in effect on the original order date, but the Dealer has to file a price protection claim with Ford which is an internal accounting adjustment between the dealership and Ford. Ford does not generate either Window Stickers or Dealer Invoices using the prices in effect on the original order date. The retail order price protection only applies if the vehicle is delivered to the same customer that placed the order originally. The price protection process is handled by the dealership's main office staff, not an inventory or sales manager, using the original order documentation to support the claim. Your "Inventory Manager" should talk to the dealership's main office staff as the retail order price protection process has existed for decades! In addition, the price protection process does not delay vehicle delivery to the customer. Hope this helps! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manko Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 Thank you ice! Much appreciated. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice-capades Posted December 23, 2021 Author Share Posted December 23, 2021 Mid-Year Pricing Effective December 27, 2021 EFFECTIVE DATE Dealer Invoice changes will be effective December 27, 2021. PRICE PROTECTION 2022 model units invoiced prior to December 27, 2021 will not be re-invoiced. Automatic price protection will be provided on: • Firm 2022-model fleet, retail, and demonstrator orders signed and dated on or before December 26, 2021, and received by Ford Motor Company on or before December 30, 2021. • Fleet CPA or GPC orders will continue to be price protected to the individual customer’s contract agreement or bid date. RETAIL PRICE INCREASES BY VEHICLE LINE - Effective December 27, 2021 Trucks F-150 Increase XL series prices $350 MSRP Increase XLT series prices $880 MSRP Increase Lariat series prices $880 MSRP Increase King Ranch series prices $880 MSRP Increase Platinum series prices $880 MSRP Increase Limited series prices $880 MSRP Increase Raptor series prices $880 MSRP Increase Tremor series prices $880 MSRP Increase 19S STX Appearance Package price $530 MSRP Ranger Increase all series prices $215 MSRP Maverick Increase XLT series prices $80 MSRP Increase Lariat series prices $370 MSRP Increase 43L Power Tilt / Slide Moon Roof price $200 MSRP Increase 86B Ford Co-Pilot360TM price $110 MSRP Increase 54P Lariat Luxury Package price $410 MSRP Increase 54L XLT Luxury Package price $155 MSRP Increase 54B XLT Luxury Package price $155 MSRP Increase AHNAB Roadside Assistance Kit price $10 MSRP Increase AHQAB First Aid Kit price $10 MSRP 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikolaiss Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 On 4/29/2021 at 10:08 PM, ttwn0324 said: $600 base increase on the Super Duty line for 2022. Option & destination pricing the same as 2021. So far. I see you said base here. Does it change depending on the model you purchase or is this a flat rate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikolaiss Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 On 12/18/2021 at 8:08 AM, ice-capades said: Great! Another clueless Dealer that doesn't know what they're doing! The USOB (Unscheduled Order Bank) doesn't open at the beginning of year unless both complete vehicle specifications AND pricing is available. Retail orders receive automatic price protection for the prices in effect on the day the order was submitted and received by Ford. Dealer Invoices and Window Stickers are generated with the prices in effect at the time the vehicle is produced. The price protection for retail orders is an accounting function between the dealership and Ford that adjusts the vehicle prices to those in effect on the original order date. The WBDO (Web Based Dealer Ordering) system will only display the prices in effect at the time the order specifications on the "Preview" screen are displayed. When Ford announces retail pricing changes, the notice is posted on the main page of the FMCDealer.com portal. As I've posted in the corresponding forum (Ford Retail Price Increases), the notice always includes the information for the retail order price protection. When vehicle specifications are changed, the Dealer simply adjusts the sales agreement and price based on the prices in effect on the original order date. As noted, the Dealer Invoice is created using the pricing in effect at the time the vehicle was produced. The retail order is price protected to the prices in effect on the original order date, but the Dealer has to file a price protection claim with Ford which is an internal accounting adjustment between the dealership and Ford. Ford does not generate either Window Stickers or Dealer Invoices using the prices in effect on the original order date. The retail order price protection only applies if the vehicle is delivered to the same customer that placed the order originally. The price protection process is handled by the dealership's main office staff, not an inventory or sales manager, using the original order documentation to support the claim. Your "Inventory Manager" should talk to the dealership's main office staff as the retail order price protection process has existed for decades! In addition, the price protection process does not delay vehicle delivery to the customer. Hope this helps! This is GREAT information! Thanks for sharing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice-capades Posted February 10, 2022 Author Share Posted February 10, 2022 (edited) Mid-Year Pricing Effective February 15, 2022 EFFECTIVE DATE Dealer Invoice changes will be effective February 15, 2022. PRICE PROTECTION 2022 model units invoiced prior to February 15, 2022 will not be re-invoiced. Automatic price protection will be provided on: Firm 2022-model fleet, retail, and demonstrator orders signed and dated on or before February14, 2022, and received by Ford Motor Company on or before February 18, 2022. Fleet CPA or GPC orders will continue to be price protected to the individual customer’s contract agreement or bid date. PRICE LEVELS (effective February 15, 2022) 2022-model Mustang PL225 Escape PL230 Edge PL225 Explorer PL235 F150 PL235 Super Duty PL250 RETAIL PRICE INCREASES BY VEHICLE LINE Effective February 15, 2022 Icons Mustang Increase GT series prices $825 MSRP Increase GT Premium series prices $825 MSRP Increase Shelby GT500 price $1,090 MSRP Increase 19B Active Valve Performance Exhaust price $230 MSRP Increase 60G Black Accent Package price $100 MSRP Increase 60K Mach 1 Handling Package price $500 MSRP SUVs Escape Increase S series prices $500 MSRP Increase SE Gas series prices $350 MSRP Increase SE HEV series prices $675 MSRP Increase SEL Gas 1.5L series prices $250 MSRP Increase SEL Gas 2.0L series prices $425 MSRP Increase SEL HEV series prices $575 MSRP Increase Titanium Gas series prices $275 MSRP Increase Titanium HEV series prices $575 MSRP Increase SE PHEV series prices $400 MSRP Increase SEL PHEV series prices $400 MSRP Increase Titanium PHEV series prices $400 MSRP Increase 43M Panoramic Visa Roof price $100 MSRP Increase 86B Convenience Package price $50 MSRP Increase PC8 Stone Blue Metallic Paint price $100 MSRP Increase PD4 Rapid Red Metallic Tinted Clearcoat price $100 MSRP Increase 86D Technology Package price $200 MSRP Increase 86C Cold Weather Package price $50 MSRP Edge Increase all series prices $750 MSRP Explorer Increase Base series prices $500 MSRP Increase XLT series prices $1,100 MSRP Increase ST-Line series prices $500 MSRP Increase Limited Gas series prices $500 MSRP Increase Limited HEV series prices $515 MSRP Increase Timberline series prices $500 MSRP Increase ST series prices $500 MSRP Increase King Ranch series prices $385 MSRP Increase Platinum Gas series prices $505 MSRP Increase Platinum HEV series prices $480 MSRP Trucks F-150 Increase XLT series prices $1,500 MSRP Increase Lariat series prices $1,500 MSRP Increase King Ranch series prices $1,500 MSRP Increase Platinum series prices $1,500 MSRP Increase Limited series prices $1,500 MSRP Increase Raptor series prices $3,300 MSRP Increase Tremor series prices $1,500 MSRP Increase 19S STX Appearance Package price $500 MSRP Super Duty Increase all series prices $1,000 MSRP Edited February 16, 2022 by ice-capades 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benpack61 Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 How in the hell they going to increase price and not even have all the options available? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greatoppressor Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 Gradually warming folks up to MY23 prices... -SR- 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaybeaFocus Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 Does anyone know if Lincoln raises prices on the same schedule as the Ford brand, and if so are there any details on upcoming increases? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice-capades Posted February 10, 2022 Author Share Posted February 10, 2022 44 minutes ago, greatoppressor said: Gradually warming folks up to MY23 prices... -SR- There's a 99.9% probability that there will be another price increase by the end of the 2022 Model Year which is Ford's usual practice. That way, when they announce the initial 2023 Model Year prices the increase doesn't look as much. It's as much as recovering increased costs as well as a marketing ploy when the end-of-year prices are compared to the new Model Year prices. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice-capades Posted February 10, 2022 Author Share Posted February 10, 2022 37 minutes ago, MaybeaFocus said: Does anyone know if Lincoln raises prices on the same schedule as the Ford brand, and if so are there any details on upcoming increases? Sorry but I don't have access to the Lincoln prices or related announcements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice-capades Posted February 10, 2022 Author Share Posted February 10, 2022 2 hours ago, benpack61 said: How in the hell they going to increase price and not even have all the options available? Tempted to hide your comment as being "Off Topic" but instead will reply that your post about option availability is not true. Yes, there is limited availability for certain options due to commodity, supplier and plant constraints but Ford is limiting availability of those to retail factory orders only in order to maximize retail order scheduling and production. If you're going to b**** about options, vehicle specifications or scheduling, take it elsewhere as it doesn't belong here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFord Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 Thank you for the info @ice-capades. Very well put and knowledgeable. My truck should be here in April time frame with a scheduled build in a few weeks. Is there any literature or announcements that we can bring to our dealers to show them who are not familiar with price protection? I ordered my truck in Sept and even put a deposit down. Also signed on the build sheet for X plan. When I spoke to the sales rep in December before that price increase he said they have to increase the price with Ford. So essentially my truck has gone up to 2,295 if I’m not mistaken or that ball park since I ordered. Trying to go in there with knowledge of the price protection and instruction if they try to get me to pay. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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